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Dunno if I could French form 3yo’s look good, Intello’s form ties with Dawn Approach with the Guineas 2nd, unlucky as anything at Longchamp, if they send him to Goodwood, Farhh probably be odds on for Sussex if he wins at Ascot and you have Intello whos turn of foot is far more devastating than Farhh and you would be looking at 5/2 probably.
Intello is like Dawn Approach a 2000m and upwards horse for the rest of the season, unless as someone pointed out above they both blatantly fail to stay the Jockey Club and Derby trip. Just can’t see Intello being sent to Goodwood for the Sussex. Didn’t he make his seasonal debut directly on 9f anyway?
As for Farhh, he’s a ridiculously underrated horse. It’s ludicrous that he wasn’t even odds on for today, never mind with bloody Declaration Of War ahead of him in the market. He is miles ahead of these. Only real danger class-wise was probably Cityscape, but unfortunately he never showed today. But, Farhh could well prove to be the star miler of this season in my mind. And, after St Nic and Pastorius, great to see Frankel’s well-beaten opposition bagging the Group 1s. Not that his collateral needed any boosting really.
Got my money on both Hannon’s horses. Funny thing is I wasn’t overly impressed by Toronado as a 2 year old despite the hype, always preferred Olympic Glory and Kingsbarns. But, I completely changed my mind about him after the Craven. And, I think the prep run could make the difference today relative to Dawn Approach. That said, I think the real bet of the race is Van Der Neer. Would still be undefeated if it wasn’t for Kingsbarns, and I thought his trial run was much better than it’s given credit for. Perfect each-way bet for me.
He’s got lazy running style but is definitely not slow. Two completely different things. That said, fancy the two Hannon runners for this one. I know a run before the Guineas is not an absolute necessity, but I’ll still rather side with those with a prep run, especially as I believe there’s not that much between them.
Try to catch a glimpse of todays winner of the Derby at Randwick,the NZ horse’It’s A Dundeel’this horse is Arc class.This bloke looks to have a ‘lot’ on the likes of So You Think and he was more than competitive over there so add on about 5 lengths that is how good this horse is.His last 2 wins have been absolutely mind boggling!
Isn’t JOLLYP the guy who said this hahaha? Sums up how much he knows about what constitutes Arc class. I don’t know whether that was meant to be some kind of scare tactics, but it clearly backfired. Reliable Man just made a joke out of It’s A Dundeel in the Queen Elizabeth stakes, even though sadly breaking down towards the end of the race. That’s the same Reliable Man who finished 24 lengths behind in the 2011 Arc. The day Europe is gonna fear the Aussie middle-distance horses hasn’t come yet. It’s A Dundeel, 5 lengths better than So You Think? Comedy post of the year.
A blind man could see the horse never backed up,he did the same last year about four good runs then he was flat.No mate comedy post of the year would be those who called Australian racing unclean when it appears you have the most unclean industry in the world.Like all the horses he gets from over there Chris Waller improves them out of sight
It’s A Dundeel’s trainer, Murray Baker, himself conceded that It’s A Dundeel "had every chance" and that "he was beaten by a better horse". Sorry, but I think I’ll go with the trainer’s opinion instead of some Internet WUM. Laughed my ass off when I say It’s A Dundeel getting murdered by Reliable Man. First thing I thought of was the aforementioned hilarious post. I wondered whether you would keep that particular thread updated like you always did for Black Caviar, or whether you would just go missing hoping your European buddies would not notice It’s A Dundeel being handed his ass on a plate.
Anyway, I wonder if you could just answer a simple question for me. If indeed, as you claim, European middle-distance horses are no better than Aussie ones and that the only reason why they are winning the big ones down-under is due to Aussie trainers improving them out of sight, then would you mind explaining to me why these Aussie trainers can’t seem to achieve the same success with their own southern hemisphere horses? Surely, these trainers must have more OZ and NZ bred horses in their stables. Why then did Moody need Manighar to make the historic Australian Cup-Ranvet Stakes-BMW treble, or Waller needing a Reliable Man to beat It’s A Dundeel? Couldn’t they do it with the Aussie-breds, especially if, as Mr Jollyp claims, they don’t have anything to envy about the European middle-distance horses. Why is it that in both of the last two editions of Australia’s most famous race 9 out of the first 10 were Northern Hemisphere bred? 9 out of the first 10 in both of the last two Melbourne Cups, that’s massive. Surely, Northern Hemisphere horses represent less than 10% of the total population of horses. Why is it then that these "apparently superior" Aussie trainers can’t achieve the same feats with their own Aussie-bred middle distance horses? Do they give preferential treatment to the European imports hahaha?
Talk about denying the obvious.
In my opinion, this race is between the two Khalid Abdullah horses (assuming Big Break shows up). Don’t really rate Just The Judge, nice genuine tough filly who can run a place but lacks the spark required to win such a race in my mind. Similarly, don’t really see Sky Lantern reversing the form with Hot Snap unless the latter throws her chances away by racing too green. Maureen could be the dark horse, somewhat unpredictable but clearly talented. But, overall, it’ll be Hot Snap to win for me as she’s the more likely of the Abdullah horses to show (even though I’m not too keen on the odds).
Try to catch a glimpse of todays winner of the Derby at Randwick,the NZ horse’It’s A Dundeel’this horse is Arc class.This bloke looks to have a ‘lot’ on the likes of So You Think and he was more than competitive over there so add on about 5 lengths that is how good this horse is.His last 2 wins have been absolutely mind boggling!
Isn’t JOLLYP the guy who said this hahaha? Sums up how much he knows about what constitutes Arc class. I don’t know whether that was meant to be some kind of scare tactics, but it clearly backfired. Reliable Man just made a joke out of It’s A Dundeel in the Queen Elizabeth stakes, even though sadly breaking down towards the end of the race. That’s the same Reliable Man who finished 24 lengths behind in the 2011 Arc. The day Europe is gonna fear the Aussie middle-distance horses hasn’t come yet. It’s A Dundeel, 5 lengths better than So You Think? Comedy post of the year.
Zarkava was one my favourite unbeaten, we never saw her absolute best, she won every race with something hand! Gave Goldikova a pasting a couple of times with out breaking a sweat. She truly was a great horse.
We’ve been lucky enough to have a flurry of great mares lately Black Caviar, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Rachel Alexandra, but I think Zarkava is definitely the best mare I’ve seen. So easy to forget how unbelievable she was. She never ever came close to get defeated. Won the French Triple Tiara and finished the season with the world’s biggest race in the Arc. She’s also the only one to have beaten another of the mares on the list in Goldikova (twice). What she did to Goldikova in the Poule D’Essai des Pouliches (also beat her in the Diane) was absolutely ridiculous. She went past Goldikova as if she wasn’t there with Soumillon giving her a hands and heels ride and even looking behind for the last 100 metres. People didn’t quite realise how incredible that performance was back then as no-one really knew the legendary racemare that Goldikova would go on to become. But, there’s no way I could imagine any of the other mares giving Goldikova a thrashing like she did that day and on Goldikova’s specialist distance too. Her finish in the Vermeille when she came to pick up Dar Re Mi from an impossible position after completely flopping the start was another jaw-dropping performance. Most underrated horse I know of.
And, once again, stakes money is a poor way of judging a horse’s quality. Races like the Dubai World Cup or Melbourne Cup will never attract the quality of fields you might see in an Arc, irrespective of the prizemoney. As a matter of fact, Monterosso has amassed more prize money than the highest rated horse of all-time. So, that it may have been nice to own these "high stakes earners" does not make the horses you mentioned Grade 1 sprinters. Point in case, none of them have won a Grade 1 sprint, so it was hardly Grade 1 opposition. Unlike Lord Kanaloa and Shea Shea who do qualify as Grade 1 sprinters, which was my original point.
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.$4.2 million in stakes money, hahaha. Seems you forgot to mention that the Good Ba Ba, who finished last, probably on his own has double that amount. In fact, he probably has more than stakes money than Black Caviar herself. Yes, an 11 year old Good Ba Ba, completely and utterly past it and who’s never been a sprinter in the first place. Who the heck are you kidding? Just to show you how lame stakesmoney is as a criteria for judgin the quality of an opposition. I think the only Grade 1 winner in the race was Luckygray, whose wins once again both came at a mile and over. Try convincing yourself first that that last race was full of top class sprinters before trying to convince others, coz’ that was one lame attempt.
Oh dear you are desperate:) Was Good Ba Ba in the 3 placed behind Black Caviar? No!!! You forgot to mention that aside from prizemoney those 3 had won 26 from their combined 60 starts and you call them ‘utter jokes’!!! You then don’t mention that Moment Of Change was then narrowly beaten in the best Group 1 sprint probably in the world the Newmarket Hcp. You pick one horse out,that is too old and should have been retired and that is all your evidence for both races being ‘utter jokes’,they may not have been the best fields she has met but there was some smart horses in each race. If i didn’t have a clue about form i could use your criteria and say well Frankel is a 3/4 Length better horse than Zoffany because he got the closest
That was meant to be a Grade 1 race, wasn’t it? Now you go and tell me how many of these 26 whatever wins came in Grade 1 sprints. Answer none. So yes, it was a joke of what’s supposed to be Grade 1 opposition. Who cares about 26 wins in half of these come into handicaps.
Yep, no chance of Triple Crown for Dawn Approach. I can at the utmost see him go for the Derby, but the Leger will definitely not be on his agenda. I also do think Camelot will have a very good season, he’s much better than his last two runs. That said, he” only go undefeated as long as he doesn’t come across the likes of Orfevre. The latter, albeit a quirky character, is in my mind best racehorse currently in training across the world, following Frankel’s retirement. As for Black Caviar, also she should bag the King’s Stand. Her two runs since her comeback has been utter jokes in terms of opposition, and a clash with Shea Shea would be far more interesting. Lord Kanaloa might also show up, his jockey is adamant he’s the best sprinter in the world and the King’s Stand would be a good opportunity to prove just that. Still think Black Caviar would edge them, but if they show up Black Caviar’s last run could well prove to be her stiffest task, not unlike Frankel in that respect.
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.$4.2 million in stakes money, hahaha. Seems you forgot to mention that the Good Ba Ba, who finished last, probably on his own has double that amount. In fact, he probably has more than stakes money than Black Caviar herself. Yes, an 11 year old Good Ba Ba, completely and utterly past it and who’s never been a sprinter in the first place. Who the heck are you kidding? Just to show you how lame stakesmoney is as a criteria for judgin the quality of an opposition. I think the only Grade 1 winner in the race was Luckygray, whose wins once again both came at a mile and over. Try convincing yourself first that that last race was full of top class sprinters before trying to convince others, coz’ that was one lame attempt.
Yep, no chance of Triple Crown for Dawn Approach. I can at the utmost see him go for the Derby, but the Leger will definitely not be on his agenda. I also do think Camelot will have a very good season, he’s much better than his last two runs. That said, he” only go undefeated as long as he doesn’t come across the likes of Orfevre. The latter, albeit a quirky character, is in my mind best racehorse currently in training across the world, following Frankel’s retirement. As for Black Caviar, also she should bag the King’s Stand. Her two runs since her comeback has been utter jokes in terms of opposition, and a clash with Shea Shea would be far more interesting. Lord Kanaloa might also show up, his jockey is adamant he’s the best sprinter in the world and the King’s Stand would be a good opportunity to prove just that. Still think Black Caviar would edge them, but if they show up Black Caviar’s last run could well prove to be her stiffest task, not unlike Frankel in that respect.
Pretty much beyond belief that Ribot isn’t already on the list. Ribot is a must along with Frankel, 30 races undefeated between them. Arguably the two greatest thoroughbreds to have raced in Europe since WW2.
Ribot and Frankel for me too.
Most underrated of all the greats in my mind. A true monster of a horse when on song, and a real looker too.
Not going to be very original here, but Frankel in the Queen Anne is the most jaw dropping moment I’ve seen on a British racetrack for many a year, and that despite everybody expecting a romp. He still managed to produce a wow factor beyond and above all the hype like only he can, so much that even Peter Moody of all people had to admit he had to be the world’s best racehorse after the race.
