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    elgransenor1
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    I’m slightly surprised the O’Brien horse is trading as favourite here given on official figures he’s quite a few pounds behind Cityscape and the Godolphin horse

    Farhh or however you spell it :shock: is the most solid one for me

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    A competitive race. Is Farhh a true miler? I think he needs a bit further to be at his best but that’s just my opinion which is a lot hit and miss at present. I think the fav is worth taking on I love Beauty Parlour but would rather see how she goes first. If it comes up soft or worse then Cityscape if Good or better might have a bit on Trumpet Major.

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    elgransenor1
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    I take what you’re saying about him not being an out and out miler, but he finished close up to Moonlight cloud over a mile and that form alone should be good enough to make him extremely competitive.

    I just think this race might turn into a bit of a battle with there not being that much between the main players, and some rain gets into the ground you can see farhh grinding it out.

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    Declaration Of War is plenty short enough but at least the stable is in form. That cannot be said for Bin Suroor or Roger Charlton. Despite Farhh being more highly rated, his only win last season was in a Thirsk Handicap. OK he raced behind Frankel a couple of times along the way and there is no shame in that. A bigger worry is the stable form, not many runners and no winners these past few weeks. Looking at Cityscape, he would be a contender if fully wound up, but the stable has had a quiet start and it was worrying to see Mince drift like a barge as if the world and his wife knew she wasn’t fit, and then run as if that was exactly the case. I couldn’t have him in this with that in mind. Beauty Parlour seemed to lose her way and the Cecil horses have been performing in fits and starts at best, with a narrow winner and a midfield effort from two fancied ones today being typical of recent events. Trumpet Major never realy went on last year and I am wondering if he beat much last time up and whether he may be best caught fresh. For that reason I am passing on him. With the fav being so short I am going to suggest Fencing each-way at best price 11/1. He was a horse who never looked right last year but he seemed to bounce back last time and I thought he put the race to bed nicely enough there. If you forgive his 3yo career he may have scope to come on a bit this year and John Gosden said that the mile trip will be as far as Fencing will run over from now on after an abortive try at further last season.

    Fencing, fast out of the gate, and hopefully first past the post!!

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    RedRiot
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    Desperate renewal.

    Farhh probably the best horse in the race but like what has been said he isn’t a miler, losing to a sprinter at 8 you would think he’d be up against it against a proper miler, whether there is one in the Lockinge though is the riddle.

    Best looks to be Cityscape who has been held by some exceptional milers in Goldikova, Canford Cliffs and the versatile Sea The Stars, has some great form in the book, would want rain to raise hopes further.

    It would probably be Cityscape for me, but having Cityscape winning this while deserved no doubt shows how desperate the older division is, surprsied O’Brien didn’t chance Camelot at this.

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    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Pretty good renewal really. We have been treated to Frankel, Excelebration and Canford Cliffs, so have to avoid the hangover now they are gone.

    Like many people on this thread,

    Farhh

    is my choice. I don’t think the concerns about the bin Suroor stable form are particularly warranted given that the trainer hasn’t had many runners this season. Comments from bin Suroor about being desperate to get the fragile Farhh a Group 1 win before retirement bode well for him being rock-hard fit for this.

    Cityscape is 7 now, so presumably will be beginning a downgrade soon if it hasn’t started already. Declaration Of War is badly underpriced given what he has achieved so far. I don’t understand why he wasn’t aimed at some Group 1s last year if he was really a horse capable of winning at this level.

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    Interesting renewal if lacking a sprinkling of stardust. Declaration of War has to be respected of course but the price has gone based on his form. The 3 year olds Fencing and Trumpet Major have plenty to find I fancy Fencing might prove the better of the two this season but can’t see him winning today.

    Ratings say Farhh is the best horse in the race, a mile may not be the ideal trip but his form in finishing second to Frankel twice looks the best on offer and it’s worth taking 5/1 he’ll come out on top.

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    Joseph O’Brien’s recent riding performances have put me off backing Declaration Of War. I also think the horse is a bit short in the betting as it wasn’t overly impressive in its last race. The Aidan/Coolmore factor is the main reason the horse heads the market.

    I will watch the race with interest.

    I was taken by Fencing’s last run at Ascot. Although this is a step up, the horse seems to have benefited from the snip. At the odds, he looks a good each chance – and William Buick is a jockey in form. :)

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    Joseph O’Brien’s recent riding performances have put me off backing Declaration Of War. I also think the horse is a bit short in the betting as it wasn’t overly impressive in its last race. The Aidan/Coolmore factor is the main reason the horse heads the market.

    I will watch the race with interest.

    I was taken by Fencing’s last run at Ascot. Although this is a step up, the horse seems to have benefited from the snip. At the odds, he looks a good each chance – and William Buick is a jockey in form. :)

    Agreed,Fencings last performance was excellent and i’m surprised not more has been made of it with some of the overreacting that does occur these days. He looks a cracking e/w bet with all the market leaders having question marks over them.

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    I agree with Steve, Fran and Himself – Fencing for me also.

    #439974
    elgransenor1
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    O’Brien pacemaker sets it up for farhh.

    Who’s complaining 8)

    Declaration of War at 11/8 must be contender for worse S.P. of the year.

    Claire said Farhh looked very muscular. Are they back on the cookies? :shock:

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    RedRiot
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    Good to see the best result for the Lockinge, a decent winner, Farhh has saved it maybe being the worst Lockinge in history.

    #439982
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    I agree with Steve, Fran and Himself – Fencing for me also.

    I was a bit disappointed with Fencing, particularly with his old sparring partner Sovereign Debt filling second spot. On a quick calculation the latter has turned the form around by over 14 lengths on their previous meeting on the same terms. Perhaps Fencing is a horse best caught fresh. He had a disappointing campaign last year and perhaps there is an underlying problem with him.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Not often you see an 80/1 horse second(let alone run) in a Group One.Got to figure that out.

    #439984
    andyod
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    Joseph O’Brien rides at 9-5 in Ireland.Is losing 5lbs too much for a nineteen year old?

    #439995
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    Good job Farhh, but it was sad to see Cityscape trailing so far behind. Well done to everyone who saw through the flimsy arguments about the trip for Farhh and the bin Suroor form.

    The winner did look rock hard fit as suggested, so the gap between him and the rest could close down throughout the season.

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    On that performance alone, Farhh will win the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot.

    The horse did two things today – he laid a marker down to all the best milers around that he will be a force to be reckoned with, and also highlighted what a truly amazing horse Frankel was.

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