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- May 18, 2013 at 19:13 #440009
On that performance alone, Farhh will win the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot.
The horse did two things today – he laid a marker down to all the best milers around that he will be a force to be reckoned with, and also highlighted what a truly amazing horse Frankel was.
Best price is currently 7/2, in from 9/1
He’s as low as 2/1 with some firms and I think 7/2 won’t last because I believe Animal Kingdom, who is fav with most firms, would struggle to cope with Farhh based on beating the admirable but limited Red Cadeaux last time up. He is where he is based on running behind Wise Dan in the Breeder’s Cup. That was his only turf start and it was firm going. He still has something to prove regarding his short odds.
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May 18, 2013 at 19:41 #440011He beat Listed and limited Group 3 horses and a former Group 1 horse who has past his best.
When it comes to later on in the season I would be for sure siding with the likes of Dawn Approach and Intello who I think would be a great betting oppurtinity if he ever faced Farhh.
May 18, 2013 at 20:18 #440021Well done those on Farhh. The fast pace of the race made the rest fold like a pack of cards but was no stopping him, a great performance.
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May 18, 2013 at 21:03 #440030On that performance alone, Farhh will win the Queen Anne at Royal Ascot.
The horse did two things today – he laid a marker down to all the best milers around that he will be a force to be reckoned with, and also highlighted what a truly amazing horse Frankel was.
Only problem is Hawk Wing was even more impressive in the Lockinge, and completely bombed out in the Queen Anne, so you can never say never
May 18, 2013 at 21:47 #440043He beat Listed and limited Group 3 horses and a former Group 1 horse who has past his best.
When it comes to later on in the season I would be for sure siding with the likes of Dawn Approach and Intello who I think would be a great betting oppurtinity if he ever faced Farhh.
If Dawn Approach wins The Derby he will surely go for either The Irish Derby or The Eclipse. I doubt he will drop back in trip unless he patently fails to stay.
I would have Farhh over Intello any day of the week. Bring it on!!
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May 18, 2013 at 22:03 #440045Dunno if I could French form 3yo’s look good, Intello’s form ties with Dawn Approach with the Guineas 2nd, unlucky as anything at Longchamp, if they send him to Goodwood, Farhh probably be odds on for Sussex if he wins at Ascot and you have Intello whos turn of foot is far more devastating than Farhh and you would be looking at 5/2 probably.
May 18, 2013 at 23:32 #440055Dunno if I could French form 3yo’s look good, Intello’s form ties with Dawn Approach with the Guineas 2nd, unlucky as anything at Longchamp, if they send him to Goodwood, Farhh probably be odds on for Sussex if he wins at Ascot and you have Intello whos turn of foot is far more devastating than Farhh and you would be looking at 5/2 probably.
Intello is like Dawn Approach a 2000m and upwards horse for the rest of the season, unless as someone pointed out above they both blatantly fail to stay the Jockey Club and Derby trip. Just can’t see Intello being sent to Goodwood for the Sussex. Didn’t he make his seasonal debut directly on 9f anyway?
As for Farhh, he’s a ridiculously underrated horse. It’s ludicrous that he wasn’t even odds on for today, never mind with bloody Declaration Of War ahead of him in the market. He is miles ahead of these. Only real danger class-wise was probably Cityscape, but unfortunately he never showed today. But, Farhh could well prove to be the star miler of this season in my mind. And, after St Nic and Pastorius, great to see Frankel’s well-beaten opposition bagging the Group 1s. Not that his collateral needed any boosting really.
May 19, 2013 at 00:19 #440059Farhh’s price ante post 5/1 was indeed a joke, Decleration Of War I couldn’t understand the price, the horse wasn’t good enough to beat Famous Name who annihilated him also but this is one of the reasons why I think Farhh has been overrated for this victory here and I get the impression he his going to have it easy with Animal Kingdom, I can only see a head being in this race in the Queen Anne, gonna be mightly close imo.
After Animal Kingdom retires who is there for him to take on? Its probably right on Intello competing for the 10f prizes, Style Vendome would be one although Intello would have beaten him by 8 lengths if the race was won at Newmarket, obviously connections will keep him apart from Dawn Approach…. hard for me to get excited over the mile division this season, will enjoy the Queen Anne though will be a cracker.
May 19, 2013 at 00:31 #440061Declaration Of War was an insane price, did anyone actually back this horse? If so, why?
Farhh is a very good horse and a great yardstick. He will be the benchmark in 8 / 10f group ones this season.
May 19, 2013 at 08:39 #440073Anyone else think that Farhh looked rather muscular yesterday?
And the fact they’d been out of form all season and then just ran away with two group races rather worrying, just as they’ve been under investigation for drug offences?
May 19, 2013 at 11:43 #440091EGS, two things in response to your post:
1. Saeed bin Suroor has not been "out of form". He has just not had many runners this so far this season.
2. Simon Crisford and Saeed bin Suroor said pre-race that the top priority was to get Farhh a Group 1 win to boost his value as a stallion. They are also mindful of Farhh being very fragile and fear him getting injured before they get another chance. It was no surprise to see him looking very physically sharp with this in mind. The Lockinge was his Farhh’s main aim for the season. Everything else is a bonus now.
May 19, 2013 at 11:55 #440095Anyone else think that Farhh looked rather muscular yesterday?
And the fact they’d been out of form all season and then just ran away with two group races rather worrying, just as they’ve been under investigation for drug offences?

Probably best to keep those sort of thoughts to yourself.
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May 19, 2013 at 12:49 #440100Dunno if I could French form 3yo’s look good, Intello’s form ties with Dawn Approach with the Guineas 2nd, unlucky as anything at Longchamp, if they send him to Goodwood, Farhh probably be odds on for Sussex if he wins at Ascot and you have Intello whos turn of foot is far more devastating than Farhh and you would be looking at 5/2 probably.
I assume you are basing this "far more devastating turn of foot" on his win in the Fielden Stakes. On the face of it Glory Awaits, who was third that day, paid a big compliment to him finishing 2nd in the 2000 Guineas, but at 150/1 it has to be questioned if we can trust that form particularly as a literal reading would have Intello destroying Dawn Approach by some five lengths at Newmarket. The 4th horse in the Fielden, Alta Lilea, stepped up in trip afterwards and was slaughtered 16 lengths behind Secret Gesture in the Lingfield Oaks trial after winning a small race at 2/7 over 1 1/2 miles at Catterick. That doesn’t make the form look so hot.
The French 2000 Guineas was a muddling affair run on heavy ground and they finished in a heap of heads, necks and short heads. Even if Intello had scrambled home I would have doubts about the form. Speedwise, it seems odd that this horse made his 2yo debut over a mile and then went for The Fielden over 9f, which is more often a stepping stone for horses going up in trip rather than down. It is not possible to tell yet how good the horses Intello has been racing against really are but we know Farhh was mixing it with Frankel last season and other Group 1 horses. Intello won by a short head in his first race and it seems a big step to say he has a blinding turn of foot based on a Fielden win. Hand on heart I think Farhh would crush him.
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May 19, 2013 at 20:11 #440127Anyone else think that Farhh looked rather muscular yesterday?
And the fact they’d been out of form all season and then just ran away with two group races rather worrying, just as they’ve been under investigation for drug offences?

He has always looked pretty muscular to me. I remember last year’s Sussex Stakes. Usually Frankel, in spite of not being incredibly tall, would usually stand out musculature wise. But, I also recall thinking this Farhh fella ain’t badly built either.
May 19, 2013 at 21:42 #440135Hand on heart I think Farhh would crush him.
Would never ever ever happen, dont know how you can question Intello’s form and then see the horses that Farhh beat yesterday, the runner up, not even a LISTED winner, the fav got pasted by Famous Name getting a load of weight of him.
Glory Awaits seems to have been underestimated and will probably show some consistent form, Sovereign Debt, I’d be surprised if he could place in a Group race again.
May 19, 2013 at 22:45 #440137Hand on heart I think Farhh would crush him.
Would never ever ever happen, dont know how you can question Intello’s form and then see the horses that Farhh beat yesterday, the runner up, not even a LISTED winner, the fav got pasted by Famous Name getting a load of weight of him.
Glory Awaits seems to have been underestimated and will probably show some consistent form, Sovereign Debt, I’d be surprised if he could place in a Group race again.
Right now you are only guessing as to how good Intello might be. The race he won, The Fielden Stakes hardly reads like a list of equine legends over the years. Glory Awaits has had 9 runs and won only one race, a two grand maiden, at odds of 50/1. He has been beaten a long way in several of his races and it seems impossible to believe that he suddenly found about 20 lbs to be second in a Guineas. Sovereign Debt, for all his limitations, is rated a stone or more better than Glory Awaits.
Intello may well improve but right now he is not in Farhh’s league. He is also going to The French Derby next and it is stated that he might even be tried over a mile and a half later. Those are hardly encouraging signs that he would have the speed to cope with an older, Group 1 winning miler.
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