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Yep, no chance of Triple Crown for Dawn Approach. I can at the utmost see him go for the Derby, but the Leger will definitely not be on his agenda. I also do think Camelot will have a very good season, he’s much better than his last two runs. That said, he” only go undefeated as long as he doesn’t come across the likes of Orfevre. The latter, albeit a quirky character, is in my mind best racehorse currently in training across the world, following Frankel’s retirement. As for Black Caviar, also she should bag the King’s Stand. Her two runs since her comeback has been utter jokes in terms of opposition, and a clash with Shea Shea would be far more interesting. Lord Kanaloa might also show up, his jockey is adamant he’s the best sprinter in the world and the King’s Stand would be a good opportunity to prove just that. Still think Black Caviar would edge them, but if they show up Black Caviar’s last run could well prove to be her stiffest task, not unlike Frankel in that respect.
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.Yep, no chance of Triple Crown for Dawn Approach. I can at the utmost see him go for the Derby, but the Leger will definitely not be on his agenda. I also do think Camelot will have a very good season, he’s much better than his last two runs. That said, he” only go undefeated as long as he doesn’t come across the likes of Orfevre. The latter, albeit a quirky character, is in my mind best racehorse currently in training across the world, following Frankel’s retirement. As for Black Caviar, also she should bag the King’s Stand. Her two runs since her comeback has been utter jokes in terms of opposition, and a clash with Shea Shea would be far more interesting. Lord Kanaloa might also show up, his jockey is adamant he’s the best sprinter in the world and the King’s Stand would be a good opportunity to prove just that. Still think Black Caviar would edge them, but if they show up Black Caviar’s last run could well prove to be her stiffest task, not unlike Frankel in that respect.
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.$4.2 million in stakes money, hahaha. Seems you forgot to mention that the Good Ba Ba, who finished last, probably on his own has double that amount. In fact, he probably has more than stakes money than Black Caviar herself. Yes, an 11 year old Good Ba Ba, completely and utterly past it and who’s never been a sprinter in the first place. Who the heck are you kidding? Just to show you how lame stakesmoney is as a criteria for judgin the quality of an opposition. I think the only Grade 1 winner in the race was Luckygray, whose wins once again both came at a mile and over. Try convincing yourself first that that last race was full of top class sprinters before trying to convince others, coz’ that was one lame attempt.
To be honest, after describing the opposition as "a complete joke", I think its you who ought to be providing further substantiation to be fair.
Yep, no chance of Triple Crown for Dawn Approach. I can at the utmost see him go for the Derby, but the Leger will definitely not be on his agenda. I also do think Camelot will have a very good season, he’s much better than his last two runs. That said, he” only go undefeated as long as he doesn’t come across the likes of Orfevre. The latter, albeit a quirky character, is in my mind best racehorse currently in training across the world, following Frankel’s retirement. As for Black Caviar, also she should bag the King’s Stand. Her two runs since her comeback has been utter jokes in terms of opposition, and a clash with Shea Shea would be far more interesting. Lord Kanaloa might also show up, his jockey is adamant he’s the best sprinter in the world and the King’s Stand would be a good opportunity to prove just that. Still think Black Caviar would edge them, but if they show up Black Caviar’s last run could well prove to be her stiffest task, not unlike Frankel in that respect.
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.$4.2 million in stakes money, hahaha. Seems you forgot to mention that the Good Ba Ba, who finished last, probably on his own has double that amount. In fact, he probably has more than stakes money than Black Caviar herself. Yes, an 11 year old Good Ba Ba, completely and utterly past it and who’s never been a sprinter in the first place. Who the heck are you kidding? Just to show you how lame stakesmoney is as a criteria for judgin the quality of an opposition. I think the only Grade 1 winner in the race was Luckygray, whose wins once again both came at a mile and over. Try convincing yourself first that that last race was full of top class sprinters before trying to convince others, coz’ that was one lame attempt.
Oh dear you are desperate:) Was Good Ba Ba in the 3 placed behind Black Caviar? No!!! You forgot to mention that aside from prizemoney those 3 had won 26 from their combined 60 starts and you call them ‘utter jokes’!!! You then don’t mention that Moment Of Change was then narrowly beaten in the best Group 1 sprint probably in the world the Newmarket Hcp. You pick one horse out,that is too old and should have been retired and that is all your evidence for both races being ‘utter jokes’,they may not have been the best fields she has met but there was some smart horses in each race. If i didn’t have a clue about form i could use your criteria and say well Frankel is a 3/4 Length better horse than Zoffany because he got the closest
Better do your homework! At the Valley last start the 3 horses behind Black Caviar have had 60 starts combined for 26 wins and $4.2 million in prizemoney.First up she beat Moment Of Change who was narrowly beaten at his next start in the $1 million Group 1 Newmarket. Gee i would really like to own a couple of those ‘jokes’ behind her
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.$4.2 million in stakes money, hahaha. Seems you forgot to mention that the Good Ba Ba, who finished last, probably on his own has double that amount. In fact, he probably has more than stakes money than Black Caviar herself. Yes, an 11 year old Good Ba Ba, completely and utterly past it and who’s never been a sprinter in the first place. Who the heck are you kidding? Just to show you how lame stakesmoney is as a criteria for judgin the quality of an opposition. I think the only Grade 1 winner in the race was Luckygray, whose wins once again both came at a mile and over. Try convincing yourself first that that last race was full of top class sprinters before trying to convince others, coz’ that was one lame attempt.
Oh dear you are desperate:) Was Good Ba Ba in the 3 placed behind Black Caviar? No!!! You forgot to mention that aside from prizemoney those 3 had won 26 from their combined 60 starts and you call them ‘utter jokes’!!! You then don’t mention that Moment Of Change was then narrowly beaten in the best Group 1 sprint probably in the world the Newmarket Hcp. You pick one horse out,that is too old and should have been retired and that is all your evidence for both races being ‘utter jokes’,they may not have been the best fields she has met but there was some smart horses in each race. If i didn’t have a clue about form i could use your criteria and say well Frankel is a 3/4 Length better horse than Zoffany because he got the closest
That was meant to be a Grade 1 race, wasn’t it? Now you go and tell me how many of these 26 whatever wins came in Grade 1 sprints. Answer none. So yes, it was a joke of what’s supposed to be Grade 1 opposition. Who cares about 26 wins in half of these come into handicaps.
Best you educate yourself a little in regards to form. Our Group 1 Handicap sprints are superior to any other countries WFA sprints.We are not talking about how many group 1 winners in the race that there was,we are talking about you calling the opposition ‘utter jokes’. As i said the 3 behind her had won $ 4.2 million, throw in the only other 2 in the race,not taking Good Ba Ba or Black Caviar into account. Spirit Of Boom Has won $ 980 000 and Linton has won $ 890 000, all of the field ranged from 4yo to 6yo besides Good Ba Ba.The lowest stake eaner in the field was a horse called Fawkner who has won $680 000 had 15 starts for 8 wins and 4 placings and narrowly beaten in a $1 million Group 1 the start prior. An owner could only dream of owning a couple of those ‘utter jokes’
And, once again, stakes money is a poor way of judging a horse’s quality. Races like the Dubai World Cup or Melbourne Cup will never attract the quality of fields you might see in an Arc, irrespective of the prizemoney. As a matter of fact, Monterosso has amassed more prize money than the highest rated horse of all-time. So, that it may have been nice to own these "high stakes earners" does not make the horses you mentioned Grade 1 sprinters. Point in case, none of them have won a Grade 1 sprint, so it was hardly Grade 1 opposition. Unlike Lord Kanaloa and Shea Shea who do qualify as Grade 1 sprinters, which was my original point.
The whole point of my reply was in response to you calling the oppositon ‘utter jokes’! Nothing to do with Dubai,in any case the Melbourne Cup is a staying race not a middle distance race.Whilst those behind Black Caviar certainly couldn’t be called elite 1200mt Group 1 horses,there was still some very smart horses in there undeserving of being classed ‘utter jokes’.Though the Melbourne Cup may not be the quality race in the world,when you or Dubai can pull a crowd of 122 000 people let me know! It is a great spectacle quite a few of the European trainers have stated it is the best days racing in the world in regards to atmosphere and expectation. I think you need a few of our administrators and PR people there.When i was there last year for memory only around 40 000 or so were there to see Frankel over here it would have been 100 000 +, so we must be doing something right.
Why don’t they televise the Dubai race on BBC? Is there a reason or maybe the "corporation" just doesn’t want to spend the money, spend it on stupid things like repeats of programmes and films, over and over again!!!
Simple..the BBC have given up on all racing…the equine variety…they are happy to spend licence payers money on the motor version…for at least three years. They even failed to show the Arc last year although they hadn’t thrown the towel in at that point. Their attitude to the sport, certainly in the approach they took to the National, suggests a negative approach is the norm, now.
Sadly the BBC has sport well down its list of priorities these days – even the F1 has gone to sky now. I can’t remember the last programme I watched on the Beeb!
Re the Black Caviar / opponents debate, I guess the same was probably said about Frankel especially when facing only 3 others at Goodwood?
For me though, the Monterosso argument puts forward the case for not using prize money won to gauge the standard of a race. However, I guess it comes down to what you want to argue. For me BC just doesn’t do it, and IMO would be shown up If spending a full season in Europe, however I guess some US fans would of thought the same re frankel etc. the beauty of opinion.Sadly the BBC has sport well down its list of priorities these days – even the F1 has gone to sky now. I can’t remember the last programme I watched on the Beeb!
Re the Black Caviar / opponents debate, I guess the same was probably said about Frankel especially when facing only 3 others at Goodwood?
For me though, the Monterosso argument puts forward the case for not using prize money won to gauge the standard of a race. However, I guess it comes down to what you want to argue. For me BC just doesn’t do it, and IMO would be shown up If spending a full season in Europe, however I guess some US fans would of thought the same re frankel etc. the beauty of opinion.Black Caviar 24 from 24,14 Group 1 wins and she doesn’t do it for you hey? Dumbest comment ever i think:) Get shown up in Europe where your sprinters dont measure up,i think not keep dreaming
Its all down to opinions I guess which was the purpose of my post (apologies – I do waffle at times!). I wouldn’t consider any opinion dumb, just different.
I personally don’t get the same wow factor with BC that I have done with other horses, I think that is what I wanted to say. But its opinion/gut feeling/(stupidity? Ha ha) the statistics don’t lie though – amazing record. My european comment was unfair and only really based on the ascot run/gut feeling. July cup 2013 please…
Lord Kanaloa is very good,though he has been beaten a few times and wouldnt beat the mare and he has a bit on Shea Shea.
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