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    Avatar photoAdmiralofthefleet
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    Any body know what happened to Imperial Monarch in the Dubai Gold Cup? His first run over 2 miles, did he not stay or something?

    Thanks

    #434449
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    St Nic just won the Sheema Classic! I really hope they show a replay on C4 later.

    #434451
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    Any body know what happened to Imperial Monarch in the Dubai Gold Cup? His first run over 2 miles, did he not stay or something?

    Thanks

    I have a feeling the ground may have been too quick for him Admiral. All his form is with cut in the ground and he’s obviously very effective on a soft surface. He was well beaten today, never looked like winning.

    #434455
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    Thanks THM

    Animal Kingdom was fantastic, and what a performance for Red Cadeaux

    #434460
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    So- by how far would Frankel have beaten that lot?

    :wink:

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    Not sure if anyone spotted Pat Buckley just now but he’ll soon be winging his way from Dubai to our 50th anniversary of Ayala’s National win at the Midlands Racing Club. His life just gets better and better [hope he wears his thermals!].

    #434497
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    http://www.dubaiworldcup.com/
    Will get you all of today’s races.

    #434498
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    Gladiateur
    Frankel has never traveled outside GB, nevermind to the desert.He has never raced against the best in the world and he has never races beyond 1&1/4 miles on GRASS.So we cannot answer your question; much as we would like to support your fellow against "that lot"

    #434527
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    Can we not descend into a debate about the merits of Frankel please?

    I was really impressed with St Nic, AOB gave an insightful interview afterwards in which he admitted he got it wrong in thinking ST Nic was better coming from off the pace.

    Apparently it was Derrick Smith and Joseph who convinced him to let St Nic sit further up the pace.

    I have always had a soft spot for the horse and I hope he can run in a similar fashion this summer in the UK.

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    Gladiateur
    Frankel has never traveled outside GB, nevermind to the desert.He has never raced against the best in the world and he has never races beyond 1&1/4 miles on GRASS.So we cannot answer your question; much as we would like to support your fellow against "that lot"

    You don’t half post some rubbish.

    The point of my post was to illustrate what a bad renewal of the world’s most valuable race we had just seen; the Dubai World Cup hasn’t featured the world’s best horses on a regular basis and has, therefore, failed in its ambition, in my opinion.

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    The point of my post was to illustrate what a bad renewal of the world’s most valuable race we had just seen; the Dubai World Cup hasn’t featured the world’s best horses on a regular basis and has, therefore, failed in its ambition, in my opinion.

    It’s ‘ambition’ has nothing to do with horseracing, it is merely one part of an increasing geopolitical jigsaw around the region whose aim is to rebrand the UAE/Dubai as a global economic centre.

    The obvious absence of betting makes the whole Meydan project non-viable in a strict economic sense, even if they can build and maintain their course with union-free modern-day slave labour.

    As with all the various other ‘projects’ – Grands Prix, European Tour golf, Test Match cricket, Rugby Sevens etc – the results, attendance or sporting achievements are pretty much irrelevant. It’s the message that counts.

    I would agree that the field for the world’s richest race was very average. But to say that the race has therefore failed in it’s ambition is to misunderstand that ambition.

    Mike

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    I would agree that the field for the world’s richest race was very average. But to say that the race has therefore failed in it’s ambition is to misunderstand that ambition.

    The problem is that if the race continues on its current downward spiral in quality terms, there will come a point where nobody pays any attention to Dubai on its most prestigious raceday.

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    I have never liked the meeting and apart from Singspiel and Dubai Millenium, I reckon the winners of the big one have been one dimensional and/or below the very top class that one might expect given the lofty ambitions of the race.

    I consider the title "World Cup" to be ostentatious and it is akin to having a football World Cup tournament that saw Costa Rica beat Latvia in the final.

    Harlem Globetrotter that Red Cadeaux is, he has regularly been exposed as a Group Two horse at best, and he was firmly put in his place by Sea Moon at Royal Ascot last year, a horse who has also failed to win at the top level yet.

    That would beg the question though, as to why a horse like Sea Moon isn’t having a crack at some of the big money on offer, instead of failing time and again in Group Ones?

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Paul I am not ignoring his foibles at all but pointing out that our industry would be stuffed without him and your image of this ogre of a dictator may not be a balanced one. Actually many people talk of his warmth and compassionate nature. Sir Henry Cecil who had such a public fall out with him still speaks of him in glowing terms especially with the support he gave him during his brothers terminal illness.

    But listen the point is you could throw your moral mud at pretty much anyone with more than a few millions and lots of it would stick. I have just spent time out in Qatar where forced labour and human trafficking are huge problems and yet the Emir there is a man loved by his people.

    To accuse those who wish to take part in or watch Arab sponsored racing of lacking any morals is fine if you actually stood by what you said and refused to watch or take part in any of it yourself. But then you might have to include anything sponsored by Investec and let’s face it our own bookies are hardly squeaky clean are they?

    Happy Easter anyway and please spend your silver wisely! :)

    He always used to give a warm smile to us building lads as he walked past up at Dalham Hall, and none of the lads who’ve worked for him had anything to complain about as far as I can recall. I think he’s probably quite an amiable old Hector really when you get to know him. :D

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    Gladiateur
    Frankel has never traveled outside GB, nevermind to the desert.He has never raced against the best in the world and he has never races beyond 1&1/4 miles on GRASS.So we cannot answer your question; much as we would like to support your fellow against "that lot"

    You don’t half post some rubbish.

    The point of my post was to illustrate what a bad renewal of the world’s most valuable race we had just seen; the Dubai World Cup hasn’t featured the world’s best horses on a regular basis and has, therefore, failed in its ambition, in my opinion.

    Yeah but we’d miss him if he disappeared eh? :D

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    I would agree that the field for the world’s richest race was very average. But to say that the race has therefore failed in it’s ambition is to misunderstand that ambition.

    The problem is that if the race continues on its current downward spiral in quality terms, there will come a point where nobody pays any attention to Dubai on its most prestigious raceday.

    I thought this was a very good renewal. There was a lot of concern that the synthetic surface spelled doom for dirt horses. Now that an American Kentucky Derby winner has won the DWC on the Tapeta surface, more American trainers will feel comfortable sending their best stock over.

    And now Animal Kingdom will race in the Prince of Wales. It’s the first time since Carry Back’s Arc de Triomphe try that a KY Derby winner will venture overseas, and the first time since Omaha (2nd in the 1936 Prince of Wales and Ascot Gold Cup) that one will go to Ascot.

    #434591
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    Felt the meeting as a whole was top quality, but it is still very difficult to see the World Cup itself as anything other than average. The winner was perhaps the exception, but while the 2nd, 3rd and 4th are good honest horses would be surprised if any of them win a G1 this year over 10-12f.

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