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I am defending the Japanese, how is that running Australians down Jollyp? It is you who’s opinions are bordering on jingoism. First it was Britain, now it’s Japan, who’s next?
Exactly Jollyp, Australia has sent over just two middle-distance horses to Europe in how many years? It is a matter of fact that Japan has produced many more top middle-distance horses than Australia.
Value Is EverythingI am defending the Japanese, how is that running Australians down Jollyp? It is you who’s opinions are bordering on jingoism. First it was Britain, now it’s Japan, who’s next?
Exactly Jollyp, Australia has sent over just two middle-distance horses to Europe in how many years? It is a matter of fact that Japan has produced many more top middle-distance horses than Australia.
I should not have to explain to you GT why the lack of middle distance horses sent over there! Firstly we geld a hell of a lot more horses here because we are not run by the likes of Coolmore and other huge studs,who race just to breed.Secondly Manighar wins 4 out of 5 starts here when Moody first got him and picked up $2.2 million! The prizemoney!!! He won the BMW which is worth $2.2 million! As Moody said at the time he wins $2 mil with Manighar in 3 starts and Black Caviar had to win about 20 for $5 mil.Before we start on the same old argument about the quality of the races here remember Manighar has had 10 wins all between 8f-12f Moody won the 1st race with him 1st up over a mile,when he was 1st up prior it was with Cumani over 14f! So your Australians are ‘hopeless’ with middle distance horses is blown out of the water there,Moody stated at the time when he got Manighar he was working like a 20f hurdler!
the reason our stayers go to oz and win over 1m is due to them being juiced with steroids before they run, ironic
the reason our stayers go to oz and win over 1m is due to them being juiced with steroids before they run, ironic
No it is called working a horse out better than the previous trainer
Stud value of any top European middle-distance race is worth far more than any short term difference in prize money Jollyp. So the prize money arguement is a false one. If Australian trainers/owners thought they had a horse good enough – they’d be here.
Japanese trainers know they have horses good enough to compete, which is why most Arcs these days have a Japanese runner. It’s been only coincidence they haven’t won it. El Condor Pasa put up a standard of performance good enough to win most Arcs. Deep Impact patently did not run to form and Orfevre had the race won before giving it away.
Where are the Aussies?
Value Is EverythingI don’t like casting aspersions … well, rarely –
but I do get this dull feeling in the pit of my stomach that Mr. Al Zarooni is being made the fall guy in all of this.
Would he really have taken the decision to inject the Godolphin horses without others knowing ? My cynic-o-meter is going haywire. Something stinks here.
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I don’t like casting aspersions … well, rarely –
but I do get this dull feeling in the pit of my stomach that Mr. Al Zarooni is being made the fall guy in all of this.
Would he really have taken the decision to inject the Godolphin horses without others knowing ? My cynic-o-meter is going haywire. Something stinks here.
It’s of course possible H, however, there is a lot of pressure on any trainer – but particularly a private trainer – to succeed.
If a public trainer loses one owner it’s bad for him, but not too bad. If a private trainer loses his only trainer he’s out of a job.
Value Is EverythingStud value of any top European middle-distance race is worth far more than any short term difference in prize money Jollyp. So the prize money arguement is a false one. If Australian trainers/owners thought they had a horse good enough – they’d be here.
Japanese trainers know they have horses good enough to compete, which is why most Arcs these days have a Japanese runner. It’s been only coincidence they haven’t won it. El Condor Pasa put up a standard of performance good enough to win most Arcs. Deep Impact patently did not run to form and Orfevre had the race won before giving it away.
Where are the Aussies?
Can’t you read? I said we geld a lot more horses here
Most of the great middle distance horses here were geldings,try getting ‘Stud Value’ for those So have a good read next time you one-eyed cherry picker If Australians thought their horses were good enough to make stallions Jollyp, they’d be idiots to geld their best horses. Stupid to throw away lucrative stallion fees? So if most of the best Australian middle-distance horses are gelded – it just shows trainers recognise their top middle-distance horses are not up to the grade.
Unless… are you telling us Australian trainers are stupid Jollyp?
Value Is EverythingTry to catch a glimpse of todays winner of the Derby at Randwick,the NZ horse’It’s A Dundeel’this horse is Arc class.This bloke looks to have a ‘lot’ on the likes of So You Think and he was more than competitive over there so add on about 5 lengths that is how good this horse is.His last 2 wins have been absolutely mind boggling!
Isn’t JOLLYP the guy who said this hahaha? Sums up how much he knows about what constitutes Arc class. I don’t know whether that was meant to be some kind of scare tactics, but it clearly backfired. Reliable Man just made a joke out of It’s A Dundeel in the Queen Elizabeth stakes, even though sadly breaking down towards the end of the race. That’s the same Reliable Man who finished 24 lengths behind in the 2011 Arc. The day Europe is gonna fear the Aussie middle-distance horses hasn’t come yet. It’s A Dundeel, 5 lengths better than So You Think? Comedy post of the year.
If Australians thought their horses were good enough to make stallions Jollyp, they’d be idiots to geld their best horses. Stupid to throw away lucrative stallion fees? So if most of the best Australian middle-distance horses are gelded – it just shows trainers recognise their top middle-distance horses are not up to the grade.
Unless… are you telling us Australian trainers are stupid Jollyp?
You are clueless GT Kingston Town had one start as an entire and ran last! You don’t have enough knowledge to know that some horses will not concentrate on racing as an entire.More importantly you would not know that when gelded some entires testicles are found to be black and blue from bruising,as they are jamming themselves in galloping.Educate yourself my friend get out from behind your computer and actually learn something hands on about a horse instead of just stuff you have read
Try to catch a glimpse of todays winner of the Derby at Randwick,the NZ horse’It’s A Dundeel’this horse is Arc class.This bloke looks to have a ‘lot’ on the likes of So You Think and he was more than competitive over there so add on about 5 lengths that is how good this horse is.His last 2 wins have been absolutely mind boggling!
Isn’t JOLLYP the guy who said this hahaha? Sums up how much he knows about what constitutes Arc class. I don’t know whether that was meant to be some kind of scare tactics, but it clearly backfired. Reliable Man just made a joke out of It’s A Dundeel in the Queen Elizabeth stakes, even though sadly breaking down towards the end of the race. That’s the same Reliable Man who finished 24 lengths behind in the 2011 Arc. The day Europe is gonna fear the Aussie middle-distance horses hasn’t come yet. It’s A Dundeel, 5 lengths better than So You Think? Comedy post of the year.
A blind man could see the horse never backed up,he did the same last year about four good runs then he was flat.No mate comedy post of the year would be those who called Australian racing unclean when it appears you have the most unclean industry in the world.Like all the horses he gets from over there Chris Waller improves them out of sight
If Australians thought their horses were good enough to make stallions Jollyp, they’d be idiots to geld their best horses. Stupid to throw away lucrative stallion fees? So if most of the best Australian middle-distance horses are gelded – it just shows trainers recognise their top middle-distance horses are not up to the grade.
Unless… are you telling us Australian trainers are stupid Jollyp?
You are clueless GT Kingston Town had one start as an entire and ran last! You don’t have enough knowledge to know that some horses will not concentrate on racing as an entire.More importantly you would not know that when gelded some entires testicles are found to be black and blue from bruising,as they are jamming themselves in galloping.Educate yourself my friend get out from behind your computer and actually learn something hands on about a horse instead of just stuff you have read
Anyone with only a little knowledge about horse racing knows gelding can improve a horse’s temperament Jollyp. But I don’t believe Australian trainers are so stupid to throw away a lucrative stud career because of it. I don’t see why Australian trainers should struggle more than Europeans to hold an entire’s temperament together.
Why should the "black and blue" syndrome be unique to Australia Jollyp? Must admit, I never heard of that before, thanks for the information. Helps to explain my own jogging/running. I always put it down to the ballbusting myself.
Value Is EverythingTry to catch a glimpse of todays winner of the Derby at Randwick,the NZ horse’It’s A Dundeel’this horse is Arc class.This bloke looks to have a ‘lot’ on the likes of So You Think and he was more than competitive over there so add on about 5 lengths that is how good this horse is.His last 2 wins have been absolutely mind boggling!
Isn’t JOLLYP the guy who said this hahaha? Sums up how much he knows about what constitutes Arc class. I don’t know whether that was meant to be some kind of scare tactics, but it clearly backfired. Reliable Man just made a joke out of It’s A Dundeel in the Queen Elizabeth stakes, even though sadly breaking down towards the end of the race. That’s the same Reliable Man who finished 24 lengths behind in the 2011 Arc. The day Europe is gonna fear the Aussie middle-distance horses hasn’t come yet. It’s A Dundeel, 5 lengths better than So You Think? Comedy post of the year.
A blind man could see the horse never backed up,he did the same last year about four good runs then he was flat.No mate comedy post of the year would be those who called Australian racing unclean when it appears you have the most unclean industry in the world.Like all the horses he gets from over there Chris Waller improves them out of sight
It’s A Dundeel’s trainer, Murray Baker, himself conceded that It’s A Dundeel "had every chance" and that "he was beaten by a better horse". Sorry, but I think I’ll go with the trainer’s opinion instead of some Internet WUM. Laughed my ass off when I say It’s A Dundeel getting murdered by Reliable Man. First thing I thought of was the aforementioned hilarious post. I wondered whether you would keep that particular thread updated like you always did for Black Caviar, or whether you would just go missing hoping your European buddies would not notice It’s A Dundeel being handed his ass on a plate.
Anyway, I wonder if you could just answer a simple question for me. If indeed, as you claim, European middle-distance horses are no better than Aussie ones and that the only reason why they are winning the big ones down-under is due to Aussie trainers improving them out of sight, then would you mind explaining to me why these Aussie trainers can’t seem to achieve the same success with their own southern hemisphere horses? Surely, these trainers must have more OZ and NZ bred horses in their stables. Why then did Moody need Manighar to make the historic Australian Cup-Ranvet Stakes-BMW treble, or Waller needing a Reliable Man to beat It’s A Dundeel? Couldn’t they do it with the Aussie-breds, especially if, as Mr Jollyp claims, they don’t have anything to envy about the European middle-distance horses. Why is it that in both of the last two editions of Australia’s most famous race 9 out of the first 10 were Northern Hemisphere bred? 9 out of the first 10 in both of the last two Melbourne Cups, that’s massive. Surely, Northern Hemisphere horses represent less than 10% of the total population of horses. Why is it then that these "apparently superior" Aussie trainers can’t achieve the same feats with their own Aussie-bred middle distance horses? Do they give preferential treatment to the European imports hahaha?
Talk about denying the obvious.
So have a good read next time you one-eyed cherry picker 
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