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Does anyone know for certain that flat horses suffer fewer injuries than jumpers? <br>On course certainly but I think the overall attrition rate is probably about the same. There are certainly a hell of a lot of two & three year old flat horses don’t make it to four due to stress type injuries or simply not being good enough.
deanos at his best is easily better than bb.<br>[/quote]
Hmmm. Maybe if the race was run at Newbury in the Autumn. <br>And Deano’s Beano was on a motorbike.
(Edited by johnny boy at 4:31 pm on Mar. 18, 2002)
if this system is all it is supposed to be then it will be a cracker i think i have found halfe of it need help it is quite simple in the end but has been hard tio work out help on the last part would be a big help and of course share witrh the forum
Eh?
Just to add a deliberately controversial note. If an English horse won one of the big races at the Punchestown festival & was greeted by the world & his wife invading the parade ring, singing God save the Queen and waving Union Jacks, would that be "Great craic" or appaling jingoism?
Ratpack,
Carvill’s Hill (only four or five runs for Pipe) & Cyfor Malta (total of three years off the course with injuries) were not run into the ground on the racecourse but both broke down badly. What about Make A Stand? He had one stellar season but then was a complete burn out.<br>Pipe trains his horses differently to anyone else. He gives them a much harder time at home, which is why his handicappers and lower grade horses improve so much when they go to him. All horses are, however, fragile and you can only go to the well so often, before the well runs dry.<br>I can think of very few Martin Pipe trained horses that have run in three consecutive jump seasons against dozens of one season wonders who are never heard of again.<br>If you had a 5 year old who you thought a possible gold cup horse in 2 to 3 years time, would you send it to Martin Pipe?
(Edited by johnny boy at 5:59 pm on Feb. 19, 2002)
Ratpack,
Do you think if Pipe did concentrate on the flat that anyone would send him a top class fragile flat horse with a potential stud value of millions so that he could put it through his training regime?
It is vital that the prize money for the top races in Britain continues to increase. <br>British prize money is poor enough as it is by comaparison with other countries. If it falls even further behind then we would see the best horses simply running elsewhere. <br>Indeed this is increasingly happening anyway as travelling horses becomes more viable. How many times will we see Johannesburg or Sakhee on a British racecourse this summer?
Regarding Hors La Loi going chasing, he doesn’t look to me anywhere near the right build to jump fences. As a french bred I would imagine he would have been schooled over fences at least two years ago and would have thought if he had shown any aptitude in his schooling we would have seen him in novice chases by now.
(Edited by johnny boy at 1:06 pm on Feb. 15, 2002)
Regarding Legal Right I think the pinnacle of his career will prove to be winning last years Gold Cup, the one the Racing Post ran on a computer. <br>Shows what computers know.
Dario,
When Marlborough edged out Go Ballistic at Sandown he was so badly lame after pulling up that connections thought he had broken down badly. Luckily he had just spread a plate between the last two fences. To overcome that and ground softer than he would have liked to beat a pretty useful horse was a good effort and showed Marlborough to be a a pretty gutsy type.
I’d be surprised if you had to wait until March for the next Istabraq scare story Elderberry. <br>I still think he’ll be available at 2/1 or bigger on course if he gets to the race though.
M.H.,
I’m not saying he’d have no chance on better ground, I just think he’s one of the few horses who can genuinely quicken out of soft. If it was faster I think he’d struggle to stay with a quick jumping galloper like LLT and/or be susceptible to a hold up horse like Marlborough.
I agree  that the jumping has got to be a cause for concern but the impressive thing about Bacchanal is the way he can accelerate out of soft ground to kill a race in half a furlong by taking ten+ lengths out of the field. If the ground is genuinely soft (possibly a big if) he’d have a massive chance.
