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  • #4160
    RichK
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    How impressed were you by Baccanal’s win this afternoon?

    I personally think that the right handed jumping is forgivable at Newbury; if he repeats that at Cheltenham it will cost him dear. I was encouraged by Marlborough’s run after such a long absence.

    It will be interesting to see Florida Pearl run tomorrow!

    #98516
    guskennedy
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    In answer to the question, I was not impressed at all.  For the bookies to cut his Gold Cup odds is an insult to the intelligence.  Bacchanal didn’t show improved form at all and his tendency to jump slowly and to the right will be an insurmountable burden if he repeats it at Cheltenham.  He’s no Gold Cup winner as far as I’m concerned.

    #98517
    remittance man
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    When Marlborough drifted out to 13/2 on betfair, I had to back him.  Turning into the straight, I thought he might win.

    Improved fitness, quicker ground and the Cheltenham track should help Marlborough on Gold Cup day.  My nagging concern is whether he’ll get that final furlong up the hill.  

    #98519
    jjimps
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    He certainly won well but that may have been due more to his fitness level than ability. His jumping was simply nowhere near good enough to win a Gold Cup and he would have to improve significantly in this department to have a chance. I would expect definately marlborough and maybe Shotgun Willy to finish in front of him at Cheltenham. I imagine Fitz will make his mind up according to the ground Bacchanal on softer than Good Marlborough on Good or better. I can’t see either of them troubling LLT if he can repeat the form of his 2000 win but that is a big if.

    #98522
    prince regent
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    <br> i agree with sunny  he didnt jump to well the first circuit but  when the pace quickened on the 2nd circuit  his jumping improved.

     quite impressed  and as long as ground   dosnt turn fast he has a very good chance  if ground  turns fast  then marlborough  will have a big chance.

       i think m fiztgerald /henderson is a good bet  to win the gc this year

    #98524
    LUKE
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    I had a good bet on him yesterday and knowing the horse of old I kept saying to myself the further he goes the better he gets.I thought he was impressive in the end.My worry about the horse would be the first two fences at Cheltenham-he definitely needs time to warm up.<br>I thought Supreme Glory ran the most amazing National trial staying on very nicely without being punished.

    #98526
    Slippy Blue
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    I also had a bet on Bacchy , but did it in a betting shop:o  , and did not take a price so ended up at 5/4:angry:

    Have to agree with those that weren`t impressed.

    That jumping display was simply not good enough.<br>Cannot see him winning the Gold Cup, no way .

    Like many others, will be looking to lay him on the day.

    ;)

    #98527
    Hawk
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    I was disapointed iwith his jumping too but the fact remains that in seven races he’s won five, fallen once and been third in a King George.

    Soft ground gives him a better chance but I still remember him powering up Cheltenhams hill to win the Stayers hurdle on Good/Firm.

    I’m not hedging my 16/1 Antepost voucher yet…

    #98528
    LUKE
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    It would be a sad day for racing if a handicapper like Shooting Light can win a Gold Cup.I know horses like Nortons Coin have won but surely not SL.

    #98529
    prince regent
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    <br> impressed or not heres a list of horse whom will not be finishing in front of bacchanal

    best mate<br>shooting light<br>behrajan<br>alexander banquet<br>florida pearl<br>whats up boys<br>shotgun willy

    #98530
    prince regent
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    <br>thanks for the compliment but sunny   whom or how many on the list   would u back to beat bacchanal in the gc.

    i can think of 2 dangers marlborough and  llt   barring them i think  bacchanal has a clear chance

     

    #98531
    MorgansHarbour
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    if llt and bacchanal jumps the last together – llt might give the better jump, maybe gain two lengths but bacchanal will eat the hill and win going away. I agree with Suny and Prince, Bacchanal for me. He wont have as much opportunity to jump right in a packed cheltenham field. It might just make him concentrate.

    #98532
    prince regent
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    <br>sunny

    no need to apologize   i guessed u misunderstood me.

     i agree with your summaries   except for marlborough  if the word  "firm" appears in the going description   his chances will improve  very much.

      about bacchanals jumping right  it is of some concern  but it was noticable   on the last circuit hius jumping improved very much  i think with work from connections  and the faster pace will help him.

       his jumping in the bula  at times left a bit to be desired  but in the stayers was much better   the same i think will happen again.

      yes i agree   6/1  is a  price worth  taking

     regards

    nb well done with copeland  i hope u waited for him to drift before backing him

    #98533
    johnny boy
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    I agree  that the jumping has got to be a cause for concern but the impressive thing about Bacchanal is the way he can accelerate out of soft ground to kill a race in half a furlong by taking ten+ lengths out of the field. If the ground is genuinely soft (possibly a big if) he’d have a massive chance.

    #98534
    MorgansHarbour
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    i dont know, he has won at the festival before on good ground

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