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Denman was hobdayed before he ran, before Nicholls brought him.
A prominent lady trainer
had first go at buying him and turned him down when she found out.
Legend has it Nicholls said ‘That’ll save me a few quid then’, when he was told.A wind operation will improve a good horse slightly, if it needs it in the first place, but it will not turn a bad horse into a good one – which is where a lot of people go wrong.
I don’t get the RP, so haven’t read the article, but does he specifically say ‘tie-back’? I’d heard he was pretty keen on the tie forward, and both treat different ailments.
If he’s doing it on a hunch i’d be more likely to think he was cauterising or hobdaying?
There is a risk with the tie back that your horse may be left with a permanent cough, or unable to eat properly (will come back through the nose), so its never a good idea to do that willy nilly. In any case, you can diagnose paralysis with a standing scope(which I would assume every horse in the yard has as routine at some point), which costs pennies.
We’ve got a horse here that makes a horrendous noise and lost his form last year, he went on the treadmill and they could’nt find anything wrong with him – so £400 saved the £1000 of a tie forward.Don’t take notice of such comments, they mean nothing with the BHAl. They have no official bearing on the non runner situation.
I’d have to disagree JG, and say that chasing is the last thing i’d like to see Harchibald doing.
He jumps like an out and out hurdler, and many a horse of that type has been ruined by the big ones.I heard that Nick Shutts is cutting down, so going on that I think its the top end of the jump owners where we will see the most change. Probably won’t make much difference in the middle market, where owners have probably been conservative with their spending anyway.
Well I think she looks nice enough, will be a nice looker when she fills her frame. Good hind leg for a sprinter.
I wouldn’t worry about negative comments, you wouldn’t have brought a horse without knowing it could be useless.
Well i’m damned sure MB wouldn’t have let you if you didn’t.Oliver’s brother Simon had two winners at the Chelt Fest during his debut season as a trainer and he is doing even worse. At that level how do they make it pay.
I don’t think he is training seriously any more, he has another business and I don’t think he HAS to make it pay tbh.
He has 6 pointers in for his son this year, so he is obviously not worrying the bank manager.If you look at the sales report of the dam, you may get a recent sale of the hrose or one of its siblings. Then you can go to the sales website and you should get the catalogue pedigree up.
Quote – "he graded one the same but said he wouldn’t let anyone he liked even ride it down the road."
What if he wasn’t overly fussed about you, would he cheerfully give you the leg up?
Don’t take it the wrong way, thats just his humour.
He did become a bit of a dog, but I doubt that was down to anything physical!
In my experience, that tends to be a particular trait of horses with heart murmurs. They can show a lot of ability early on but lose the will to battle quite quickly.
A lot of horses cope with them perfectly fine, although you can’t really draw similarities as every one is different. I have one at the moment that is graded as 3 and my vets advice is to get him fit and take another look, but I know a couple of years ago he graded one the same but said he wouldn’t let anyone he liked even ride it down the road.
I don’t know anything about the technique they are planning to use, but it sounds to me like one of those things that are a lot more complicated than they first seem.After the gold cup last year a friend of mine said Denman will never come back the same horse after the gold cup because of how tired he was at the end of the race, i hope he was wrong!!
Reminds me what HF said about Kauto straight after the race…
If I could answer your questions Jez, I would be a very rich woman.
The only thing I could say is that if it is serious enough to affect his heart (which is a guess in any case), he would need at least 3 months out in the field to be fully over it.
You can never predict viruses, even when you are right in the middle of a yard epidemic.
Plus point is that, if a virus is the reason, with time he should get over the heart problem.Sounds as though it could be as a result of a virus.
Perhaps its time to get on Alan King for the trainers championship.I’ve had dealings with Mr Baker, and I can confirm that all your observations are correct. He and his freind (girl, but not girlfreind) are nutcases of the highest order.
This site tells you all that has been reported.
http://www.britishhorseracing.com/inside_horseracing/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/searchwhyranbadly.asp
had first go at buying him and turned him down when she found out.