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Hi all.
I have used http://www.pedigreequery.com to track a couple of horses, but i wondered if there were other mediums that i could use for tracking the same thing but going deeper with grandsires, etc…
Thanks all.
Gareth.
Well i got a bit confused.
A horse i have, i think has somone in his bloodline that is an Irish Guineas winner, Miralla.
I just wondered exactly how close/distant the bloodline was that is all.
Thank you.
Apologies if you know this already: you can go further back at Pedigree Query by clicking on other horses’ names. For example, if you look up Duke of Marmalade’s pedigree, you can click on the sire five generations back (Nearco) and go back further, through Phalaris. And so on, back to Eclipse and the Darley Arabian.
Miralla won the Irish Guineas in 1975, so is unlikely to be more than 5 generations back anyway.
Well i got a bit confused.
A horse i have, i think has somone in his bloodline that is an Irish Guineas winner, Miralla.
I just wondered exactly how close/distant the bloodline was that is all.
Thank you.
You can also look on Racing Post – try clicking Dam when you put horse name in Search box rather than ‘horse’, and just play with the options and other links you get. Doesn’t necessarily go very far back, but does give some progeny of Miralla (by Allangrange?)
1985 bay gelding Allow for Change (USA) by Super Concorde (USA), two runs over fences.
1989 Mysuma (IRE) bay mare by Ahonoora, 9 runs on the flat, won 5k + from 1 win and 3 places. Trained by DErmot Weld, owned by David Nagle.
Sketchy details but think 1987 filly named Golden Concorde by Super Concorde (went thru Goffs sales 1998, 1999 and 2002), and 1988 offspring Minami by Caerleon, sold at Tatts 2000.
May be others further back but not available on RP.
Dunno if this helps!
If you look at the sales report of the dam, you may get a recent sale of the hrose or one of its siblings. Then you can go to the sales website and you should get the catalogue pedigree up.
I had real fun with the pedigree searcher. Once Upon A Cat is a direct decendent from the Barb mare Tregonwells Natural Barb. Within four generations the line carried the Turkmium blood of the Byerley Turk and the Desert Arabain blood the Darley Arabian, the result would be mouth watering The family has been at Clairborne Farm in the US and in the ownership of the Maktoums, oddly enough only Cat and her dam whatdidyoucallme were bay, the family had grey for four generations since Ghazini was born 1942 the US born daughter of Derby winner Mahmoud.
Cat will now start a new dynisty in Normandy upon retirement from racing. The heritage in the breed is one of the things I love.
This site also allows you to add horses not in the database and so extend ‘family trees’.
I had real fun with the pedigree searcher. Once Upon A Cat is a direct decendent from the Barb mare Tregonwells Natural Barb. Within four generations the line carried the Turkmium blood of the Byerley Turk and the Desert Arabain blood the Darley Arabian, the result would be mouth watering The family has been at Clairborne Farm in the US and in the ownership of the Maktoums, oddly enough only Cat and her dam whatdidyoucallme were bay, the family had grey for four generations since Ghazini was born 1942 the US born daughter of Derby winner Mahmoud.
Cat will now start a new dynisty in Normandy upon retirement from racing. The heritage in the breed is one of the things I love.
As regards the grey/bay, not sure igf you know, but the grey gene is a modifier that goes on top of the actual colour, so in simple terms the horse can have a bay gene for example, AND the grey modifier which means the coat will ‘grey out’ and animal will eventually (at varying speeds) be grey/white. If a horse has the grey gene it WILL show itself, so you cannot get a grey horse without at least one grey parent. Looking at this pedigree, the grey came from The Tetrach (and his ancestors), progressively down the generations to the mare Turkish Teasure. However, TT did not pass the grey gene onto Cat’s grandam Thankhayr (bay) so it did not continue and with two bay parents Once Upon a Cat couldn’t possibly be grey.
Nor will her offspring be unless of course you choose a grey stallion
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