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down to something like 5/1 and I’d instruct the rider of my other horse to swing wide off the final bend and take out some of the main rivals, particularly the favourite
Sounds like the irish derby
Just what Mr Wilson was stating on another thread when I know what he said was a little over the top and inaccurate, but this in a way proves what he was saying is correct.
If you are in the know you will win.
You only need one of these a year and at 25/1 you will turn an excellent profit. No need to back again until the next one.
No major shock at all. Dalaram’s third at Taunton in April gave him a major chance today if reproduced. I had him joint second on my ratings although sadly I didnt back him.
Nothing but a good old fashion touch. Most of Malmesbury, Tetbury, and N/E Wiltshire was on
But, not his ex-wife
But if you are in the game for the money then it is highly unlikely that you are betting in these races.
And gambles like this are not perpetuated by day-to-day racing fans as such
Fist – it’s all well and good calling this type of thing a “good ol’ fashioned gamble” but these days it’s not just the old enemy the high street bookie who gets hit directly – it’s everyday form study layers/punters on Betfair as well – not to mention the fact that the romance in these gambles is well and truly dead – most punters are sick and tired of it and would much rather see a straight sport at this stage.
And before you tell me to grow up, you need to have a look at yourself – the sport is dying on it’s feet because there is so much more for punters to bet on nowadays and who wants to bet on a sport where you stand a chance of being fleeced every day when you can have a bet on a “clean” sport – Golf, Soccer, NFL etc etc – the “Other Sports” section of the forum is one of the most popular on this site in the last 6 months.
Here here Mr Brady!!!
just checked my bets 2 biggest wins ive had this month were on football bets (more than 2 goals)
And a couple of placepots
As for single bets im in th red
No major shock at all. Dalaram’s third at Taunton in April gave him a major chance today if reproduced. I had him joint second on my ratings although sadly I didnt back him.
Interesting that the money was down in that April race, 14-1 into 9/2CF and just beaten 1.5 l into third, Surprising after being beaten 65 lengths in the race before that in March, where did the confidence come from?
Someone mentioned it runs well after a break, Well not always, given nearly 3 months off after Taunton it raced in a similar class, going, distance and up just 1 lb. It opened 14-1, no money on and beaten 82 lengths.
I don’t know if Barney Curly has a fansite. Some of the posters on here should think about setting one up.
Someone mentioned it runs well after a break, Well not always, given nearly 3 months off after Taunton it raced in a similar class, going, distance and up just 1 lb. It opened 14-1, no money on and beaten 82 lengths.
No, not always. Seeing as at Taunton it was reported that the horse finished with a sore back perhaps we have a reason?
Bottom line…..an 8yo hurdler has within the previous 6 months shown a level of form to win a race similar to yesterdays and was backed at a generous price to do so.
Racing has its problems, Dalaram isnt one of them.
In a low grade race at Stratford, if I see a horse backed in from 25-1 to 9/2 I would expect that the horse is quite well fancied, his form to date is quite insignificant really, the fact that he has such a poor record and is being backed like a mad one in a race that won’t take much winning, makes it look more genuine.
Market moves happen all the time and you can either ignore them or play them, some play them, some dont. But if you play them then sometimes you have to accept that they are duff, and if you ignore them then sometimes you have to accept that they will win. There arent any threads started for all the horses backed 25-1 into 9/2 that get chinned but there are plenty.
When you sit in a bookies or on a betting website you can see the market moving in front of you aswell as all the various pieces of form, and what you chose to make of the information that is in front of you is what dictates what you bet, and where some people may say "what chance have you got" there will be many people across the country that jumped on the bet, probably bigger than 9/2.
On the jumps I tend to use the markets a lot more than I do on the flat and last season it proved very good to be on whatever Nicholls horse was getting backed on almost every saturday last season.
I was at Uttoxeter wednesday where a similar gamble had taken place whereby HEIR TO BE trained by Andy Haynes started 33/1 in the morning and ended up around 13/2 i think. Had been running moderately in sellers and on form stood little chance of winning. Despite the massive reduction in price, he never looked like winning. These gambles don’t always prevail.
On Dalaram, as has been stated he had bits and pieces of form which entitled him to go close. I wouldn’t have backed him due to the aformentioned previous dismal runs that he’d ran. But then again, I wouldn’t have had a bet in such a poor looking race. I can understand the frustrations of people who had had a bet in the race, but as been said surely monitoring the markets and noticing such moves is all part of gambling. You can ignore or join the gamble.
I was at Ladbrokes when that infamous touch was landed and the fallout was very interesting. Within three months, every stipe in the country had spent half a day at Imperial House watching videos of said race and being instructed about "dubious betting patterns" into the bargain. The upshot is that if any trainer in the country has his cards marked, it’s probably John "I don’t like a bet" Tuck.
Seconded without reservation.
There is a wider issue here, perhaps, and one that touches on The Cheekster’s points – namely, to what extent, if at all, one can expect a horse’s infirmities to be writ large for all to see in the form guides, trading papers, etc. I think Timeform cards do this to a certain extent, with mention made of broken blood vessels, horses being tubed, etc., but I’m not sure it’s uniform, and I certainly don’t recall too many mentions therein of kissing spines or whatever it is that frequently checks Dalaram’s progress as a racehorse.
It comes under that whole raft of "sundry" (a moot point) information that certain of us would like to see represented on racecards routinely, alongside date of gelding, reported in foal, etc., but concede would probably be regarded as too much unnecessary noise, or difficult to accommodate in existing racecard formats, by others.
Jeremy
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I don’t know if Barney Curly has a fansite. Some of the posters on here should think about setting one up.
Apparently has a profile on Facebook
This site tells you all that has been reported.
http://www.britishhorseracing.com/inside_horseracing/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/searchwhyranbadly.aspI’m told that every time Mr. Tuck bumps into a steward on the racecourse, he is greeted by the words, " Hi! John, I expect you’ll be in to see us later".
Colin
Jody is confident before the event.
Story from the RP site :
http://www.racingpost.co.uk/news/news.s … uid=994638
Colin
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