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Prior to running at Brighton on the 18th of August, they had worked Valid Point over 2 miles in the morning. Is that clever or cheating?
When I made this post last night, I was not looking to write another chapter about Jamie Spencer being a bad jockey. He is not a bad jockey, neither is he a great jockey, he is normally good enough though. If we didn’t rate him then he would not have been booked him for the ride.
Myself and my brother (Tuffers) run a small syndicate with about 20 members, most of the members don’t have thousands of pounds to throw at the game, they are just racing enthusiasts who have always dreamt of owning a piece of a racehorse. We have been relatively successful since we set the club up 5 years ago, but have been increasingly frustrated by things not going our way, Tuesday was another example. I’m fully aware that sometimes your views can be clouded when you have a biased view on something, what I was looking for was an impartial view on whether it was a poor ride or not. I’ve had enough replies to confirm my first impressions that it was bad. Thanks for your feedback folks. Next stop Doncaster on the 27th. Jamie Spencer won’t be in the saddle.
How can you possibly know what the "unnamed" favourite is when you place the bet in the morning. The fact that it is unnamed implies that it is open to change. If you fancy the favourite at the time of placing the bet, why don’t you make that your selection rather than clicking the unnamed favourite box. Prices of horses change and since the introduction of betting exchanges the markets are even more volatile. I think you seriously need to review your betting strategy, alternatively can I be your bookmaker?
It has always been the view of Barry Hills that the best place to educate a 2 year old is at Chester.
This is probably the funniest thing I’ve ever read. I personally like the line "I fancy the favourite in a race, but should they pull out the 2nd favourite looks a pretty fantastic bet. In that scenario I (having to do my betting in the morning an unable to place a bet later in the day during work) will place a bet on the "Unnamed Favourite" to win because that covers me".
How on earth can you "fancy" the favourite when you don’t even know who the favourite is, this had got to be a wind up.
I run a Race Club, and we were fortunate enough to own a mare called Elopement. At the start of her 5 year old season she had run nine races and not troubled the judge, at the end of the season she had won 6 races and rose form a rating of 47 to 76. Personally I don’t think this was down to the fact that she was a mare. It was mainly down to the fact that she stood training for the first time in 5 years, and once finding her form, she thrived and was able to exploit a very favourable handicap mark from which she started.
At the end of the season Elopement won the Channel Four Trophy for the winning most horse of 2007, I was told she was the first filly/mare to win the trophy.
I had been punting for fun for about 15 years, but over the last couple of years I’ve taken things a bit more seriously. Last year was the first year I made any profit of note, and this year I’ve made a profit of just shy of £11,000. I spend my form study time looking for horses that have been plotted up for handicaps, then use the early morning market as a guide to whether the horse is "off" or not.
The hardest part for me now is getting my money on. If you ever start winning on a regular basis you will soon find out what I mean.
Race analysis from Racing Post:
This division was taken by the subsequent Horris Hill winner Beacon Lodge last year.
The runners were inclined to race further away from the stands’ rail early than they did in the opener, though a couple did edge over to it late on. Despite the smaller field and the presence of some massive outsiders, the winning time was over half a second quicker than division one and those with proven ability dominated.
FILM SET, just beaten by a rival with previous experience on his Pontefract debut, showed the benefit of that under a positive ride in these testing conditions, despite being weak in the market. He showed a decent attitude when the runner-up got to him and he was going away again at the line. A step up in class now looks to be in order.
Noverre To Go, who has shown ability in both of his previous starts but who raced too keenly in the first-time tongue tie at Goodwood last time, was produced to win his race in plenty of time, but he hung over to the stands’ rail under pressure and didn’t get home. He may have got there too soon, but he may also be worth another slight drop in trip and nurseries now become an option.
Shabib, a promising third in a Newmarket maiden on his debut last month from which the fifth horse has since been successful, was well backed to go two-better, but he became outpaced at halfway just as the principals went for home and, although he gradually clawed back some of the deficit, he was never doing it quickly enough. He looks in need of another step up intrip.
King’s Siren, despite plenty of speed on the dam’s side of her pedigree, seemed to need all of the 7f on her debut and it was a similar story over this slightly shorter trip, as she came off the bridle at halfway and could only plug on afterthat.
Fantastic Dubai, a $400,000 half-brother to three winners including the stable’s top-class miler Zafeen, showed up for a while but he showed signs of greenness and gradually dropped away. He may need better ground and is entitled to come on for this, but he will need to.
[b:optzvmfj] Feet Of Fury, a 7,000gns filly out of a winner in the US, wasn’t at all disgraced at this level considering her price. She will find easier opporunities than this and her breeding suggests she may be worth a try on sand at some stage. [DB]
[/b:optzvmfj]Far from old has been plotted up for this since last year. He is a group class stayer running off 97. He will be backed off the boards tomorrow. Anyone looking to get involved in the race must have him on their side.
The bookmakers are scared that you are "arbing". For years I’ve studied the form, gone on oddschecker in the morning and taking the best prices that were available. Over the last few months, I’ve had virtually all of my internet accounts closed, and been told that "they don’t like my betting patterns", and "I’m only betting with them when they offer the best price". Bookmakers only want mugs as account holders these days. Open yourself a Betfair account and don’t bother with the bookies, you will get better odds, and certainly won’t have your account closed.
I specialise in low grade handicap races, following certain horses that look like they have been plotted up. The trouble with Betfair is there is not enough liquidity in the morning, so for arguments sake if a horse is 12/1 with a bookmaker first thing you are unlikely to be able to get anymore than £20 on Betfair, and if the horse has been plotted up, then 10 minutes before the race the chances are it will be trading at half those odds.
Firstly may I ask what an "arber" is?
When I quizzed one of the bookmakers on why they were no longer taking my bets, I was told that after a review of my account, they had realized that I only placed bets with them when they were offering the best price!
The point I was making was that we constantly hear of the "professional" money, and "the faces" who have been backing this or that, but as far as I’m concerned this is just the bookmakers encouraging people to back horses that they want to lay.
Someone like myself who spends a couple of hours each evening studying the form, and backing horses at best prices, is not wanted so I find it hard to believe how anyone can make money backing horses unless they are on course, and unfortunately for those of us who work this is not possible.
Reading stories about these high rollers gambling thousands of pounds at a time with the big bookmakers is hard for me to swallow. I’ve been a small time punter for a number of years, and have never had a problem having my bets laid by a bookmaker. Last June I decided to take my betting more seriously and have made a £10,000 profit in the last 11 months. None of the big three will now lay me a bet, and with the exception of the big races it is hard to get a decent wager on in the morning on Betfair. So the only conclusion I can draw is that Bookmakers are run by accounts and they don’t like customers that win. If there are any bookmakers that come on this forum that are prepared to discuss this, please do so.
It’s been great. We are now on horses 5 and 6 with Mark. The first one was useless, but the second horse won, and last year we had mixed fortunes, as Kings Art had a chronic breathing problem which meant that he could not fulfill his potential, although he did finish second twice, but our other horse Elopement won the Channel Four Trophy for the winning most horse in 2008, which was magnificent. The two new horses are both showing up well, and we are going to the stables on Saturday to watch both horses on the gallops. Of the two I personally like Thankfully, she is by Green Desert out of a Darshaan mare and although she is showing a bit of speed at home, Mark is sure that 10/12 furlongs will be her trip, and longer term she has the size and scope to make a hurdler.
All the best if you join a Race Club/Syndicate, my suggestion would be to try and find out as much as you can about the people running the Syndicate before you join as I have heard some horror stories about some Race Clubs.
Myself and another forum member "Tuffers", set up a Race Club a couple of years ago for some friends and family members. We currently have 2 horses in training with Mark Brisbourne. You can find out more about it at http://www.stratfordbardsracing.co.uk. If you wanted to dip your toe in the water with racehorse ownership it’s certainly a cheap enough way of doing so. Let me know what you think.
Personally I don’t use ratings, the point I was trying to make, is that the Racing Post would not be the only people charging for use of a website, and I was giving Timeform as an example. With regards to £10 a month, when you are used to spending that a week on the newspaper version, I would be over the moon to pay £10 a month, if the content was the same online.
