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    petski
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    Myself and another forum member "Tuffers" run a small racing syndicate. Yesterday a horse of ours called Feet of Fury ran at Salisbury, we felt that all things being equal she should go pretty well. Being fans of Jamie Spencer we booked him as we felt he was the man to do the job. He was under instructions to settle her in the pack, but not to sit too far off the pace. I’ve attached the link to watch yesterdays race below, how p….ed off would you have been with the ride.

    http://www.racinguk.com/page/forcelogin … 09,00.html

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    Zamorston
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    Firstly, I’m no expert but will offer my opinion anyway..

    I’ve never been Spencer’s biggest fan TBH, but would like to hear his explanation of why the race panned out the way it did for your horse before deciding on it.

    Secondly, I’ve never been fortunate enough to be in a position to be able to book a jockey, but I think if I was I would certainly weigh up the pro’s and cons of booking an up and coming apprentice over the experience of someone like Spencer. Give me a Frederik Tylicki (who’s on fire at the minute) or a Jamie Kyne anyday over Spencer.

    #233265
    carvillshill
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    If I hadn’t read your post I’d have said you weren’t off a yard. Ran quite well considering the start she gave them.
    In Jamie’s defence she was slowly away last time as well and the ground was pretty fast at Salisbury- possible she needs a bit of give?

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    Zarkava
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    Black and yellow silks way out the back?

    #233268
    Cav
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    Poor old Jamie. He gets it from all angles. No wonder he looks well pee’d off most of the time these days.

    Never had an owner slagging off his jockey on here before. :o A first for TRF :lol:

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    Tuffers
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    Black and yellow silks way out the back?

    Dark green and yellow but, yes.

    Carvs, it wasn’t that she was slowly away. He literally dropped anchor on her and then sat motionless. He then weaved from one side of the course to the other and having ruined her chance proceeded to give her three sharp cracks of the whip without giving her time to respond. At the furlong marker she was actually pretty close but at that point he stopped riding.

    After the race, he told me that she was ‘gone in the head’ and just wanted to bolt but in fact during the race I cannot detect that she is pulling at all.

    The other thing worth mentioning is that the Racing UK footage appeared to show that the other jockeys were ripping the **** out of Jamie as he made his way to the start with Shane Kelly in particular getting stuck in. I’m not sure whether he nearly fell off on the way to the start but the other jocks were clearly enjoying some joke at his expense. I don’t know whether that affected the way he rode her (didn’t want to be further embarrassed by being carted at the start?) but he was in a pretty foul mood after the race.

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    Cav
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    but he was in a pretty foul mood after the race.

    Looks like a bloke completely out of love with the game at the moment. Barely raised a smile after winning the Oaks. Seems like the constant criticism is wearing him down.

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    Tuffers
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    Looks like a bloke completely out of love with the game at the moment. Barely raised a smile after winning the Oaks. Seems like the constant criticism is wearing him down.

    He seemed fine pre-race. He’d just ridden a winner and was enjoying a joke with another jock as he entered the parade ring. We congratulated him on the Oaks win and he seemed pleased about it.

    #233281
    Zarkava
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    Well the ride is simply dire but it’s no surprise since he does it day-in day-out.

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    thedarkknight
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    Petski – your horse has caught the eye on a number of occasions – in fact I concluded after watching the video of this run that she is possibly one of those horses that always looks like she has much more left in the tank than she actually does in her races.

    Spencer certainly sat quite a way off the pace here – she was awkwardly away and I assumed she possibly wasnt giving him a great feel early on, hence him taking it easy. Did Spencer not offer any explanation as to why he rode her with such restraint?

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    Himself
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    Book William Buick next time. :wink:

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    #233285
    Tuffers
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    Petski – your horse has caught the eye on a number of occasions – in fact I concluded after watching the video of this run that she is possibly one of those horses that always looks like she has much more left in the tank than she actually does in her races.

    Spencer certainly sat quite a way off the pace here – she was awkwardly away and I assumed she possibly wasnt giving him a great feel early on, hence him taking it easy. Did Spencer not offer any explanation as to why he rode her with such restraint?

    Hi TDK

    The only post-race explanation that Jamie offered was that she was totally shot mentally and wanted to go flat out right from the start (which doesn’t seem to tally with the visual evidence of him anchoring her and then sitting motionless through the first couple of furlongs).

    She was quite upset in the stalls and I don’t know whether Jamie thought that he needed to drop anchor at the start to stop her getting away from him.

    The other thing he did was to remove the crossed noseband at the start as he said it wasn’t helping on the way to post (although she works in it at home). Do any of the horsemen/women out there have any thoughts as to why he would do that?

    #233286
    Tuffers
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    Book William Buick next time. :wink:

    :lol: After he rode her at Wolverhampton one of our members quizzed him as to why he had ridden her so wide and why he had dropped his whip as though he had done it deliberately. The poor lad was rendered speechless.

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    davidbrady
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    In Jamie’s defence she was slowly away last time as well and the ground was pretty fast at Salisbury- possible she needs a bit of give?

    I thought LTO she looked like she might get into it down the near side but John Egan stopped riding her

    #233300
    Irish Stamp
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    Petski – your horse has caught the eye on a number of occasions – in fact I concluded after watching the video of this run that she is possibly one of those horses that always looks like she has much more left in the tank than she actually does in her races.

    Spencer certainly sat quite a way off the pace here – she was awkwardly away and I assumed she possibly wasnt giving him a great feel early on, hence him taking it easy. Did Spencer not offer any explanation as to why he rode her with such restraint?

    Hi TDK

    The only post-race explanation that Jamie offered was that she was totally shot mentally and wanted to go flat out right from the start (which doesn’t seem to tally with the visual evidence of him anchoring her and then sitting motionless through the first couple of furlongs).

    She was quite upset in the stalls and I don’t know whether Jamie thought that he needed to drop anchor at the start to stop her getting away from him.

    The other thing he did was to remove the crossed noseband at the start as he said it wasn’t helping on the way to post (although she works in it at home). Do any of the horsemen/women out there have any thoughts as to why he would do that?

    I know for a fact there are people more knowledgeable than me on such matters as tack, bridle wear etc. but we used a cross-noseband on horses/ponies who were difficult to control – it gives extra control on to a horse. The main reason for taking it off IMO in this case would be if you wanted to make the running with your filly ie. let her run free, naturally etc (which contradicts what JS said post-race and would also leave her liable to flatten out – which would contradict what TKS thinks of her as possibly being a bridle horse).

    #233301
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    Petski – your horse has caught the eye on a number of occasions – in fact I concluded after watching the video of this run that she is possibly one of those horses that always looks like she has much more left in the tank than she actually does in her races.

    Spencer certainly sat quite a way off the pace here – she was awkwardly away and I assumed she possibly wasnt giving him a great feel early on, hence him taking it easy. Did Spencer not offer any explanation as to why he rode her with such restraint?

    Hi TDK

    The only post-race explanation that Jamie offered was that she was totally shot mentally and wanted to go flat out right from the start (which doesn’t seem to tally with the visual evidence of him anchoring her and then sitting motionless through the first couple of furlongs).

    She was quite upset in the stalls and I don’t know whether Jamie thought that he needed to drop anchor at the start to stop her getting away from him.

    The other thing he did was to remove the crossed noseband at the start as he said it wasn’t helping on the way to post (although she works in it at home). Do any of the horsemen/women out there have any thoughts as to why he would do that?

    I know for a fact there are people more knowledgeable than me on such matters as tack, bridle wear etc. but we used a cross-noseband on horses/ponies who were difficult to control – it gives extra control on to a horse. The main reason for taking it off IMO in this case would be if you wanted to make the running with your filly ie. let her run free, naturally etc (which contradicts what JS said post-race and would also leave her liable to flatten out – which would contradict what TKS thinks of her as possibly being a bridle horse).

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    jinnyj
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    He may have felt she was fighting the noseband on the way to the start though and would have been happier without it.

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