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Really keen on Americain after the Caulfield Cup. Will be better off with Dunaden and won’t be so tapped for speed over 2m, and I think it’s worth remembering how bad his draw was as well in the Caulfield Cup.
Would also have Gatewood high on the list too. Geelong Cup win told us all we needed to know
Can’t get away from GP boss an an each/way alternative to Frankel, who’s amazing but too short to consider seriously apart from doubles and trebles.
Dream Ahead may not even stay the mile, let alone be fit enough on his seasonal debut for a place. This hasn’t been his main target for some time either?
Wootton Bassett is clearly better than he showed in France last time out but is that form really standing up this year??
Dubawi Gold seems to be a good horse but a hostage to fortune, getting the run of a crazy 2,000 Guineas but then outdone in Ireland when the winner got an easy lead and he had to be switched out wide to challenge.
Grand Prix Boss at least has 2 Group 1 wins (having beaten a subsequent Group 1 winner in both of them) and the connections are clearly confident. Japanese horses among best in world & have decent records here, enough to be confident.
Didn’t feel that 1833 had a lot to be following the unfortunate incident with Tell Massini, and while he jumped well he didn’t impress me all that much and this is tougher.
If JESSIES DREAM runs, then he’d have to have a serious chance. He was a little lucky to land the Drinmore as he did, but he still jumped really well and 3 miles around Kempton on goodish/dead ground could really be his bag.
If he doesn’t turn up, LOOSEN MY LOAD would be one that I’d fancy seeing as he was travelling just as well as Ghizao until getting out-sped at the Open Meeting (had to give 6lbs too) and may well be more comfortable at Kempton before being asked for an effort.
Captain Cee Bee has talent but his jumping still isn’t bombproof and he’s not guaranteed to get 2m4f, especially in testing conditions that are likely to be prevalent tomorrow.
I think The Nightingale could be good enough to land this if he has improved form his display last time as Roberto Goldback/Osana were essentially the season’s top novice over this trip last season and he beat then by 11 lengths.
Greatwood – Really can’t have Sanctuaire off a mark 20lbs higher than when he won the Fred Winter in a race that’s better if the main principals run to form. He may well have improved (especially for settling) but generally speaking the juvenile division was quite weak and he has a real job on here.
I was let down by Menorah when GENERAL MILLER head him at Aintree and then by the very same horse when he was fourth at the Punchestown festival. To be fair, they may have been over the top on both occasions and both are very promising novices but General Miller meets the Supreme winner off 5lbs better terms at the weights and that may make all the difference.
It’s very interesting to note that LUSH LIFE meets Menorah on the same terms that he does for his win and while he was flatted by that he has shown a high level of form on all of his starts and is well worth a good look off 139.
As for the others, Nearby is really stepped up in class and while a 5lbs rise is fair he’s up against it on 11-11.
Get Me Out Of Here should prove much fitter than for his comeback run at Ascot but that was a very winnable race off 150 and it’ll take a leap of faith to back him for me. He’ll be ready to run but it’s hard to have the faith at the moment.
Any Given Day has also been given a fair weight but this is much harder than the race he won at Chepstow; A bigger threat will proabaly be Manyriverstocross, who has run well against some very good types although he needs it good to run well and is in a real tough spot here.
Bets: General Miller each/way at 8/1, Lush Life each/way at 33/1.
Still think that Fame And Glory has been widely underestimated. He beats Sariska and people start saying that she’s the value?? She’s a good, potentially great filly but she was beaten by F&G last time, and by a decisive distance too.
Fame And Glory has won 2 Group1’s in good style, and while he will need to do better, with a mid season break there’s no reason he can’t do so himself.
Look at last year’s arc (which often has a bearing on the next year’s race)
1st (Sea The Stars) – Retired
2nd (Youmzain) – Fame and Glory has reversed form (admittedly Longchamp is his best track)
3rd (Calvaryman) – Fame and Glory has reversed form
4th (Conduit) – Retired
5th (Dar Re Me) – Admittedly will be a tough nut to crack but got first run on F&G and crossed over him that day.
There will be any number of unexposed French horses (Planteur for one), and Workforce is a worthy favourite but there are reasons for thinking that if the prep goes well, he can take a big hand.
There was actually an informative Turf Trivia on the Morning Line yesterday.
What made last year’s Derby unique for the first time in 39 years (ie since Nijinsky’s) was that there were no British-trained horses in the first three.
You should normally be able to get a good run for your money if you select the right British-trained horse.
This Ballydoyle obsession that certain people have here and elsewhere gets right up my nose. I don’t understand this devotion to a single stable and disregard of all others.
Ballydoyle may well farm the Irish Derby again, but that doesn’t matter, as THE IRISH DERBY IS AN UNIMPORTANT RACE.
It was briefly important when the winners of the Derby and the Prix du Jockey-Club met there, but those days are gone.
Rubbish, Rubbish rubbish. Look at the records for the Irish Derby winners:
Sinndar (2000) – Went on to win Arc
Gailieo (2001) – Won King George
High Chapparal (2002) – Went on to win Breeders Cup Turf twice and then Irish Champion
Alamshar (2003) – Won king George
Grey Swallow (2004) – May not have done much since but still won Grade 2 in US.
Hurricane Run (2005) – Do I need to say anymore??
Dylan Thomas (2006) – Legend.
Soldier Of Fortune (2007) – Won Coronation Cup and only beaten by Zarkava/Youmzain in Arc
Frozen Fire (2008) – Fair enough, rubbish.
Fame And Glory (2009) – Only found STS too good in Irish Champion, dismissed by many as a slow horse but has since won Tattersalls and Coronation Cup and may still do better.
I know I’m proabaly just picking a fight but come on.
Could you get me Ribblesdale trends please????? Want to see if Shajhaa and Lady’s Purse do well.
Beat nothing and carrying a penalty for a reason, done what you would expect at G1 winner to do against a bunch of 90 rated handicappers., good luck if you’re on at 6-1 think you will need it.
At a time when the Ballydoyle horses have needed their first runs so badly and he was giving away 7lbs to his rivals, he just canters all over them like they weren’t even there and I’ll need good luck??!!
People haven’t really realized just how good that win was under the circumstances, giving away 7lbs and wins so easily and will come on a ton for the run having had foot problems.
When will people wake up and realise that F&G is not some slowboat horse and is not a rubbish horse. Had nothing to beat but cantered all over then today and will be hard to beat in Cornation Cup and other races.
What are people basing their criticism on??
Would you actually back Beterah for the Coronation because this form as she goes very close (beat Music Show)
I think the best filly has definitely finished second. Ajtebi hit the front too soon and then couldn’t keep her straight. He isn’t a Group 1 jockey. Iffy ride by Moore on the favourite. Having broke well eased her back too far and was never going to get there. Great result for the bookmakers.
Music Show was given every chance by Moore, close enough if she wanted to close off a pace strong enough for her to do so.
Ajtebi positioned his filly well came to win his race and got nabed on the line. What more can a jockey do? Should he stay at the back get blocked and complain that he was "unlucky"??
Thought that Smullen was pure class today and that Beterah should take all the beating in the Coronation at Ascot; Either her or Lilliside is she turns up.
I have been looking forward to seeing Steinbeck run all winter, but I think he is SEVERLY underpriced at 11/4. For a horse that has only ran twice in its life, coming from a stable whose horses are desperately requiring their first run at the moment, I would have thought there would be a bit of value about the horse?
In saying that however, he doesn’t have too much to beat in my opinion. I still do not see Canford Cliffs as a top class miler at present and I believe he will not see out a true hard mile. Xtension ran quite poor in the guineas to what I expected and the other main contenders are Steinbeck’s stablemates.
How did Xtension run poorly – He was a good fourth and he proabaly needed the run.
Totally agree with you there, but I just cannot see Canford Cliffs not being right there and his form looks really strong.
If Steinbeck needs the run, Canford Cliffs will be right there.
Best bet for me in this is to lay Super Saver. He simply doesn’t look like TC material. May have a bet Paddy O’Prado to reverse KD placings but SS a def lay for me.
Can’t see the point in that, just because he got the run of things in the Derby does not make him a false favourite; His run will have him there or thereabouts.