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Some interesting replies on here, so I thought I’d call a trainer and ask him for his opinion. He stated categorically that the bounce factor exists although not scientific, since, as has been already stated, every animal is an individual. He said the bounce factor exists when a trainer has miscalculated the horse’s recovery time between the races. The 1st run back after a lay off stresses the animal to different degrees depending on the horse. When a horse gets to the races the adrenalin begins to flow and this cannot be reproduced at home where they are in a comfortable environment and perhaps explains why you cannot get a horse 100% fit while it is at home. The trainer also stated that this would apply to any horse coming off a lay off, including one who has had the winter off and about to begin his 3yo season. He said that if he were to have a guineas horse and was unable to find a suitable race before the big one itself he would arrange a racecourse gallop after racing about a month before the race so that the horse would experience raceday stress…..something that cannot be reproduced at home.<br>After this, it is for the trainer to know his horses and ensure that the animal has sufficient recovery time.
Some interesting replies on here, so I thought I’d call a trainer and ask him for his opinion. He stated categorically that the bounce factor exists although not scientific, since, as has been already stated, every animal is an individual. He said the bounce factor exists when a trainer has miscalculated the horse’s recovery time between the races. The 1st run back after a lay off stresses the animal to different degrees depending on the horse. When a horse gets to the races the adrenalin begins to flow and this cannot be reproduced at home where they are in a comfortable environment and perhaps explains why you cannot get a horse 100% fit while it is at home. The trainer also stated that this would apply to any horse coming off a lay off, including one who has had the winter off and about to begin his 3yo season. He said that if he were to have a guineas horse and was unable to find a suitable race before the big one itself he would arrange a racecourse gallop after racing about a month before the race so that the horse would experience raceday stress…..something that cannot be reproduced at home.<br>After this, it is for the trainer to know his horses and ensure that the animal has sufficient recovery time.
I couldn’t have Idle Talk simply since Jason Maguire wasn’t on him due to his fallout with Tom George. No disrespect to Richard J., but Jason had built up such a rapport with IT, riding him in all but 1 of his races previously. I put a great deal of value on having a rider that knows a horse well, no matter how good a top replacement may be. Personally I think Jason is pretty much as good as anyone out there and I hope that now he has gone freelance he gets the breaks he deserves.
No offence taken DJ, and in fact that was something I was going to mention but you beat me to it. Ausherra’s offspring such as Riyadh and Yorkshire have shown distinct signs of temperament that got worse as they got older. The positive sign is that whereas Riyadh showed temperament from his 2yo days (meaning he had to be gelded and remained unraced as a 2yo) SP has so far shown himself to be very straightforward. And since Riyadh and, I believe, Yorkshire, were both in Paul Cole’s care in their early years, it is a positive sign that he sees no resemblance in their attitude.
With regards to stamina, I tend to agree with DJ that the stamina influence came more from the sires than Ausherra herself. An example of a stamina laden dam would be Prix de Cadran winner Sought Out, who has produced the likes of North Light, Cover Up and the dog I owned, Treasure Chest! Ausherra is no Sought out.
(Edited by naps at 8:28 am on Jan. 30, 2007)
Many congratulations to all concerned. Even more pleasing that the filly seems to give her all every time. Well done!
Yes DJ…Gardasee back in full training and as eager as ever. Will hopefully be ready to run before xmas.
Thanks EW. The horse is extremely well and although we’d have preferred 1 mile, opportunities were few and we felt that we needed to run him since he is jumping out of his skin.
Looking forward to a good run.
I have tried to avoid saying anything here……but sadly can no longer do so. Firstly, Zorro’s piece was well written and extremely funny. Maybe more so for me than the RP’s other readers because I have witnessed Jackane first hand. I initially thought it was the youthfull exuberance that was his downfall, but have come to the conclusion that this young boy views the world from different coloured spectacles to the rest of us.
I just cannot understand why Jack24 feels that everything he says, no matter how absurd and moronic, is not open to any criticism whatsoever. Are we expected to blindly agree with all his rantings? My personal problem with Jackane is that he never ever listens to any of the advice so generously given to him.
Even now, after numerous people have complained about the way he states his views as fact, he comes out with :-
"Deep Impact gave his running. His jockey didn’t."
Then when Zorro gives him a gentle smack the toys get thrown out the pram!
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t Jackane say he was gone for good from this place the last time people disagreed? You’re like an itch that won’t go away.
Thanks all……Micky got off and immediately said it was his fault. He said he was far too aggressive in trying to force the pace and the horse had little chance of getting home on the ground so he was easy on him the last 2 furlongs.
Most important he came home sound and will look forward to his next run.
Cheers.
Thanks Mesh, but no July Cup, lol. In fact Micky said that the further he went, the better he went, so a step up in trip is in the offing. Funnily enough, Tom now thinks that he will eventually make a cracking hurdler.
Nice work Arenalde. However, I’m not sure what you intend to do with the stats. For punting purposes I don’t see how this will be of assistance, although the findings were interesting nevertheless. As a trainer/owner stats such as these should be very useful, but I think you will find them somewhat misleading. For example, Haydock has some of the stiffest fences in the country, and as a result trainers generally aim their better jumpers at races at this course. You won’t find many of the horses running at the supposedly smaller stiffer tracks on your list plying their trade at Haydock or Cheltenham. No doubt, if they did, courses such as Haydock will be up there with the likes of Aintree.
At this stage we are optimistic that he will race again. He is still at Newmarket in the hands of the vet where he has recently begun swimming and exercising on the walker. Obviously things will be clearer once he gets home, but if all continues as planned we hope to see him race again by around xmas. The plan was to go chasing with him this season but will leave that in Tom’s capable hands.
I just wanted to express my gratitude to Cheltenham racecourse for taking action in making their hurdles safer. As a result of the injuries/deaths in the Fred Winter juvenile hdl, they will now be using hurdles without extending uprights. I am not entirely sure about the other horses that sadly met their demise but I do know that Gardasee’s injury was a direct result of an upright at the last. You can clearly see him on the video jump the last cleanly, but sadly over an extending upright and then see it produce a nasty gash in his leg with skin flapping  as he runs to the winning post.
He has been under constant veterinary supervision since, including 2 operations, but gladly he seems to finally be on the mend. I have attached two pics….not for the faint hearted, but it does show the kind of damage a simple upright will make, and it delights me that Cheltenham have consented to take this action.
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7-6-06 pre 2nd op
27/7/06 post op
I remember that incident very well David. It was Kieren Fallon on the pacemaker who went wide pushing out my Riyadh in the process (whom Kieren rode to victory in the Ascot Stks on his previous run) allowing Mana d’Argent to come home by about 15 lengths. The decision was then made not to have a runner at the meeting again.
