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How is Zark talking rubbish, You can make a case for virtually any horse that runs in the RSA because most of them are bred for it and that’s why they run in the damn thing.
but he said this
there’s just nothing in a horse’s background to let you know if they’re even a prospective R&SA runner, let alone a winner.
And you’re completely disagreeing with him in your opening sentence – that’s why it’s rubbish
Making a list 10 to 12 years after the event and telling someone they are talking rubbish takes a lot of skill..not!!!
Yawn. " I refuse to believe anyone but i can pick winners ! They must be aftertimers ! "
I’d say Star De Mohaison who was beaten twice by The Listener prior to the race and started about 10th fav at 14/1 proves that he has a point. The Listener had also won a 25 furlong race in heavy ground so no one doubted his ability to stay every inch of the RSA trip but you picked the winner on breeding and form. A horse who had not only been stuffed by the fav. but had never run over the trip and the nearest he had come to it was in a Micky Mouse novice he started at 1/3 for.
The Listener started thee price he did because he had by far the best form and looked certain to get the trip but you picked the winner on form and breeding
were you in denial at the time?Plus picking Weapon’s Amensty against subsequent Gold Cup winner Long Run now looks very much like it was pure luck and not breeding and most certainly not form.
I’d be careful about telling people they are talking rubbish if you are going to spout some yourself in the same post.
This is truly pathetic.
He doesn’t have a point with Star De Mohaison because he believes that no one could see the horse had a chance of winning . Yet it had form at the course, trained by Nicholls, ridden by Geraghty, had come a couple of lengths behind The Listener over 2.5miles and was staying on well, so the step up in trip looked good, and was receiving 10 pounds in weight. That all adds up to being very backable indeed.And do you seriously think that because a horse beat another horse once, it should beat it every time thereafter ?! And that the horse with the best form before a race always wins ?!!
" Picking picking Weapon’s Amensty against subsequent Gold Cup winner Long Run now looks very much like it was pure luck and not breeding and most certainly not form "
Long Run hadn’t won the Gold Cup then.
He hadn’t run at Cheltenham
He had an amateur onboard – someone who later needed intensive schooling and training to be able to win the Gold Cup.whereras Weapons Amnesty had come second in two Group 1’s running up to a race on a course it liked, having won the previous years Albert Bartlett, and had shown a liking for better ground.
One is 4-1
The other is 10-1.Not everyone choose that which is most blindingly obvious, not everyone is an aftertimer
I’ve normally got nothing bad to say about Paddy Power, but i think it’s pathetic that they’ve closed the market on the race because there’s a gamble on a horse
Bookies take too much money out of the game anyway, generally offer poor odds, and don’t get me started on what’s happening in the betting shops these days.
More profits, less value, worse product.
Oh, well, back to the drawing board. Though I think I’ve done my dash with my remaining fancies after the latest withdrawals.
Just that he’s never won beyond 2m6f, they bought him and his first race in England was the National !!! Crackers.
Might fare better this time in the Welsh, but think he’ll fade tamely.
Martin Pipe won it three times on the trot in the early nineties, and if his son has Or noir De Somoza fit, and he jumps, it’s all over bar the shouting.
He’s on 10.6, and was odds on(!) for the Grand Steeplechase de Paris in 2007, but fell at an enormous obstacle. Mid Dancer, who was the stable’s unfancied and rejected in favour of ONdeS, went on to win it. And I believe he’s not a bad sort.
He’s got a lot of miles on the clock and in grade races, but is still only a 9 year-old.
ONdeS has won three grade 1s in France and countless grade 3s and 2s; he’s only won over 22f, but apparently stays well. He ran ( 50/1) in this year’s National and fell at the 6th (Bechers). Who knows….? I’ve just had a little on at fifties.
Has no chance. Cannot believe they bought that to be a National horse. Doesn’t have the ability or the breeding.
its got to be Bobs worth for me, took 2/1. Grand crus is a massive danger but think the price is too short. I agree should only involve the front two in the market
Come March i’ll be hoping for Bobs Worth – i love this horse, and that Geraghty bought it and then sold it to Henderson.
However, i think Silviniaco Conti on a flat track is going to be difficult to beat for both the RSA favourites, and has loads of scope for improvement over fences.
Be interesting to see the market on the day. Many of Hendersons are shortened as a pre requisite and are no value, especially at Ascot, Kempton and Newbury. Seeing as Henderson has smashed the cards at Kempton on a few occasions in the last twelve months, the horses on Boxing Day will be no price at all.
9-2 for Silviniaco Conti looks backable to me, although on the day i’ll be watching BW’s price.
DM said that Overturn was going to be given a rest after the Fighting Fifth !!
Still think it’s Binocular’s, although Rock On Ruby’s form is looking better and better after the win of Raya StarThe horse Long Run beat last year wasn’t even a shadow of Kauto. Not unless you think Riverside Thetare a mere novice is so special he to could beat an in form Kauto Star even if he is getting on a wee bit.
It was a cracking race. Good time, good gallop, Riverside Theatre is a top horse. No way in hell are the bookies going to allow Long Run to go off at 4-1 after winning this and the GC last year.
Something for Kauto fans – ran badly both times after going over to Down Royal. Didn’t make the trip this year and was given the better Haydock prep.
Personally think those jumping on Grands Crus for this race are mad. I think those jumping on any horse for this race are mad.
The R&SA is by far the craziest, maddest, most unpredictable main event race of the Festival. It’s been that way for years; 16/1, 33/1, 25/1, 14/1 and 16/1 winners since 1999. It’s not a race like the Arkle where you can find good hurdlers who make the transition to jumping –
there’s just nothing in a horse’s background to let you know if they’re even a prospective R&SA runner, let alone a winner.
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Sorry but that’s rubbish.
I’ve backed Trabolgan, Star De Mohaison, Denman / Snowy Morning f’cast and Weapons Amnesty in recent seasons. All based on form, ability and breeding.
I think it’s bizarre that someone can claim Zarkandar will beat Grandouet in the race ( when the former hasn’t been seen yet ) based on their meeting in the Triumph, and then claim that Brampour will also beat Grandouet even though the latter has won both times the two have met, including the aforementioned Triumph.
My question about the race is if Spirit Son makes it there, which does Geraghty choose ?
I think last seasons Supreme was an excellent race.
Thommo is to commentating,what Kim Jong-il was to human rights! Bloody murder!
" They’re not messing about, and going over the first it’s the favourite with the sixteen times champ, AP, onboard …
And that’s how they finished. Lots more to come and we’ll be back in a few minutes…with the big race…..the King George…..right after this. Stay with us "
He’s diabolical.
I’d been watching Dunguib all season and was convinced it was far better than any other horse that year. It’s RPR’s were simply off the charts as regards bumper horses. That and the belief it would improve for better ground.
I’ve seen nothing so far this season, although Morning Royalty was visually the most impressive. Itsalark in the summer looked good.
There are a few bumpers that Mullins targets in the new year and i shall wait for those.
The more i think about this, the more i’m convinced Long Run has it sewn up….but there’s that nagging doubt about the jockey.
Not convinced Master Minded will stay, as long as it’s a truly run three miles.
At the minute Stewart Machin’s insistence on using a pun to describe every winner is annoying.
Usually it relates to the name of the horse – so if for example lightning strike won at ascot on friday he’d be all over the "and lightning strikes again – its lightning strike" type comment.
like him as a commentator if he could stop the need to do this lol
Afarid Aussie McGrath’s commentaries just annoy. One inaccruate cliche after another!
And as they go to the first, it’s Marsh Warbler, from Abergavenny, and….back in the field we have….in the red cap….and in midfield goes Brampour…and on the outside there’s Act Of Kalanisi…and jumping the third, they’re all over it safely.
Two flights gone and he’s mentioned a quarter of the field.
My equestrian hell is a Grand National commentary from McGrath and GG on repeat.
" And look at this one coming with a wet sale….and look at this one on the outside "
It’s a ridiculous hike. Can they not just put it up 7lbs ? If the bookies think the handicapper has it wrong, the price will be short. If it goes in again, revise it’s rating accordingly
Handicapper should think more about horses winning than bookies losing.
This happened to a plater a couple of years ago. One win in about 15-20 races and it was put up two stone.
Word is that the eagerly anticipated debut of Quantitativeeasing’s younger half-brother Hyperinflation (by Weareallinthisdeepdoodootogether) has been delayed until sometime next year, though sooner rather than later
Owner/trainer Mervyn King reports "He’s been showing phenomenal speed but falls at the first hurdle. I don’t know what to do, does anyone?"
There’s also Recession from the same dam, but hasn’t raced yet because commentators refuse to say his bame.
were you in denial at the time?