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  • #20569
    deeman
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    <u>Istabraq hurdle 29 December</u>

    These two go head to head again, <b>Hurricane fly</b> has had a few problems this season and is making his reappearance in a race he won last year. Is available at evens.
    <b>Thousand stars</b> who has always fallen short against the fly is in the form of its life and has the benefit of a run under its belt, which it won easily. Available at 2/1.

    In my opinion if the fly turns up fully fit, he will win and evens will look a massive price. But he could need the race although he is good fresh. Thousand stars is a class horse it its own right but dont think its FLY standard.

    What are your thoughts???

    #383576
    SteeplechasingSteeplechasing
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    From RP:

    BOOKMAKERS Paddy Power have suspended betting on next Thursday’s Istabraq Festival Hurdle with uncertainty surrounding the participation of ante-post favourite Hurricane Fly.

    The firm reported support for Hurricane Fly’s Willie Mullins-trained stablemate Thousand Stars on Wednesday afternoon, but were forced to close betting on the Leopardstown Grade 1 later in the day.
    Paddy Power, a spokesman for the bookmakers, said: "The cash has just kept coming for Thousand Stars and we are just too in the dark about what’s happening until Willie Mullins lets people know what’s going on."

    Punters lack of faith in Champion Hurdle hero Hurricane Fly was fuelled by Mullins’ limited detail regarding the seven-year-old’s wellbeing and plans.

    Mullins has issued little information about owner George Creighton’s star since ruling him out of the Morgiana Hurdle in November, but did leave him in the Istabraq Hurdle at Tuesday’s confirmation stage.

    Speaking on Tuesday, Mullins said: "Hurricane Fly is left in the Istabraq Festival Hurdle. We’ve also left in Thousand Stars and I’ve really nothing more to say at this stage."

    Hurricane Fly can be backed at 9-4 for the Champion Hurdle with sponsors Stan James and Sportingbet. Paddy Power quote 7-4.

    Never argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience, then onlookers might not be able to tell the difference. https://lazybet.com/

    #383660
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    I’ve normally got nothing bad to say about Paddy Power, but i think it’s pathetic that they’ve closed the market on the race because there’s a gamble on a horse

    Bookies take too much money out of the game anyway, generally offer poor odds, and don’t get me started on what’s happening in the betting shops these days.

    More profits, less value, worse product.

    #383710
    deeman
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    I agree mate, bookmakers got no balls these days, soon as theres big money around, they take there ball and go home. lol

    I think its a false gamble anyway, considering both horses are from the same stable, got to be some dodgy stuff going on.

    Hurricane fly will run and will win, guaranteed.

    8)

    Deeman

    #383713
    Eclipse First
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    Given what happened in the Morgiana and the stable’s lack of communication, I don’t think Paddy Power have done anything wrong, except maybe to offer prices in the first place. I am certainly no fan of bookmakers and their practices, but when they get hoodwinked once then second time around, they’ll look like mug punters.
    It’s got nothing to do with liability, one has to maintain integrity.

    #383749
    MarkTTMarkTT
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    I agree mate, bookmakers got no balls these days, soon as theres big money around, they take there ball and go home. lol

    I think its a false gamble anyway, considering both horses are from the same stable, got to be some dodgy stuff going on.

    Hurricane fly will run and will win, guaranteed.

    8)

    Deeman

    It’s like when they report money for a horse antepost and clip it from say 12’s to 10’s. What a crock – they’re just increasing their margins

    Many shops will not allow bets of more than a £100 or £200. You want to place a larger stake and they call head office. These are companies that make millions of pounds profit and claim to be beneficial to the industry. Looking at the state of racing in England, be nice if they put more money in.

    Banks on a smaller scale.

    #383802
    DannyDanny
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    I agree mate, bookmakers got no balls these days, soon as theres big money around, they take there ball and go home. lol

    I think its a false gamble anyway, considering both horses are from the same stable, got to be some dodgy stuff going on.

    Hurricane fly will run and will win, guaranteed.

    8)

    Deeman

    It’s like when they report money for a horse antepost and clip it from say 12’s to 10’s. What a crock – they’re just increasing their margins

    Many shops will not allow bets of more than a £100 or £200. You want to place a larger stake and they call head office. These are companies that make millions of pounds profit and claim to be beneficial to the industry. Looking at the state of racing in England, be nice if they put more money in.

    Banks on a smaller scale.

    I used to manage at Hills and have to agree, usually the first thing you walk into of a morning is to not take any bets of over 50 quid on the pricewise horses or any horses that had been backed heavily.

    Cant speak for the other companies but when you ring head office they either dont take the bet or knock a fdw points off the price. I remember once they wouldnt allow anyone to take lucky 15 bets over a 30 pound stake, that plus the ridiculous hours did it for me!

    Anyway going off subject id go for thousand stars to win with or withour the hurricane just for this race.

    #384572
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    No great surprise as Hurricane Fly misses the race, unless Mr Mullins makes a statement about his well-being I cannot see the bookmakers pricing him up for any race till he steps onto the racecourse unless its "with a run".

    #384577
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    Entirely predictable.

    Questions need to be asked.

    Did Mullins ever have any intension of running Hurricane Fly?

    Has Mullins deliberately kept Hurricane Fly in two races, just to get a big price about another of his runners? Either for the benifit of himself or someone else.

    I don’t know about Irish rules, but am pretty sure it would be against British rules.

    I am not saying he has or hasn’t, just that the questions should be asked.

    value is everything
    #384616
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    From RP:

    BOOKMAKERS Paddy Power have suspended betting on next Thursday’s Istabraq Festival Hurdle with uncertainty surrounding the participation of ante-post favourite Hurricane Fly.

    The firm reported support for Hurricane Fly’s Willie Mullins-trained stablemate Thousand Stars on Wednesday afternoon, but were forced to close betting on the Leopardstown Grade 1 later in the day.
    Paddy Power, a spokesman for the bookmakers, said: "The cash has just kept coming for Thousand Stars and we are just too in the dark about what’s happening until Willie Mullins lets people know what’s going on."

    Punters lack of faith in Champion Hurdle hero Hurricane Fly was fuelled by Mullins’ limited detail regarding the seven-year-old’s wellbeing and plans.

    Mullins has issued little information about owner George Creighton’s star since ruling him out of the Morgiana Hurdle in November, but did leave him in the Istabraq Hurdle at Tuesday’s confirmation stage.

    Speaking on Tuesday, Mullins said: "Hurricane Fly is left in the Istabraq Festival Hurdle. We’ve also left in Thousand Stars and I’ve really nothing more to say at this stage."

    Hurricane Fly can be backed at 9-4 for the Champion Hurdle with sponsors Stan James and Sportingbet. Paddy Power quote 7-4.

    Does what Mullins said on tuesday fit with?…
    From Sportinglife website today:

    "He worked against Thousand Stars on the Curragh last week over a mile and two furlongs and he needed it badly. After that I wasn’t happy I had him in order.

    "I told the owners that I wasn’t happy with him and there was a chance he wouldn’t run tomorrow. I left him in and decided to make a decision late on.

    Probably "told" the owners of Thousand Stars too. :roll:

    So why not let the press/public know?

    Irish racing press should not allow Mullins to get away with this non-information.

    What would be said if Tony Martin did this sort of thing?

    value is everything
    #384624
    ReasonoverFaith
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    Unfortunately, Mullins’ behaviour is now becoming more and more unpleasant and very little surprises you.

    However, what does surprise me is the Racing Post paying the same trainer to ‘write’ (ho ho ho) a column about his horses every week.

    Hey Willie, see that pile of money over there? Yep, that’s it, next to the old rope… :roll:

    #384634
    ZarkavaZarkava
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    Listening to trainers has become a total waste of time. Henderson is a total crook and Mullins isn’t too far behind.

    #384639
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    That is either "total" exaggeration or "total"ly wrong, or "total"ly libellous Zark.

    value is everything
    #384651
    freeradicalfreeradical
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    I don’t know Willie Mullins personally, but suspect that his first priority is his horses and owners, which in my opinion is OK.

    I can’t think of any occassion where a Mullins horse has been obviously held back to land a later touch. Therefore, once a horse is declared the horse is going to run to the best of it’s ability. I hardly think this makes him a crook.

    #384655
    CharlesOlneyCharlesOlney
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    If everything is well with Hurricane Fly then he should trot it.

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