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  • #20568
    darren83
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    Any thoughts here looks a match between 1st 2 in market am not a fan of Silvianico Conti myself.GRANDS CRUS for me it is

    #383574
    deeman
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    its got to be Bobs worth for me, took 2/1. Grand crus is a massive danger but think the price is too short. I agree should only involve the front two in the market

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    MarkTTMarkTT
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    its got to be Bobs worth for me, took 2/1. Grand crus is a massive danger but think the price is too short. I agree should only involve the front two in the market

    Come March i’ll be hoping for Bobs Worth – i love this horse, and that Geraghty bought it and then sold it to Henderson.

    However, i think Silviniaco Conti on a flat track is going to be difficult to beat for both the RSA favourites, and has loads of scope for improvement over fences.

    Be interesting to see the market on the day. Many of Hendersons are shortened as a pre requisite and are no value, especially at Ascot, Kempton and Newbury. Seeing as Henderson has smashed the cards at Kempton on a few occasions in the last twelve months, the horses on Boxing Day will be no price at all.

    9-2 for Silviniaco Conti looks backable to me, although on the day i’ll be watching BW’s price.

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    bozlikebozlike
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    its got to be Bobs worth for me, took 2/1. Grand crus is a massive danger but think the price is too short. I agree should only involve the front two in the market

    Come March i’ll be hoping for Bobs Worth – i love this horse, and that Geraghty bought it and then sold it to Henderson.

    However, i think Silviniaco Conti on a flat track is going to be difficult to beat for both the RSA favourites, and has loads of scope for improvement over fences.

    Be interesting to see the market on the day. Many of Hendersons are shortened as a pre requisite and are no value, especially at Ascot, Kempton and Newbury. Seeing as Henderson has smashed the cards at Kempton on a few occasions in the last twelve months, the horses on Boxing Day will be no price at all.

    9-2 for Silviniaco Conti looks backable to me, although on the day i’ll be watching BW’s price.

    Saying that Mark, I can quite easily see a big race treble on the day for NH, and getting on it beforehand could be hugely beneficial.

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    thisthatandtotherthisthatandtother
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    It’s Bobs Worth for me, I love this horse too, such a will to win. In a finish he would be very hard to beat

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    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    If this was Cheltenham I’d be in Bob’s Worth’s camp but round here I would have to assume Grand Crus would have way too much speed for them.

    I would like to see him use that speed early between 4 out and 3 out and to put distance between himself and the others like he did at Cheltenham prior to the Festival.

    If he can steal a march on them Bob’s Worth who would appreciate stiffer test of stamina IMO won’t find it as easy cutting him down like he did Cue Card.

    Grand Crus for me

    Main worry is Crand Crus takes a tumble. Don’t ask my why but he makes me feel unsafe when he jumps and gives me the impression he’s going to clout one. Hopefully I’m wrong.

    #384106
    The real barney
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    Hello and Merry Boxing Day. :D

    Nicholls has Given Siliano Conti the right run around, as he bleedin does. What the horse has achieved over shorter trips can only be seen as a taster of things to come in my view. Nicholls has had dom alco’s before, most notably Neptune Collonges, so your not tellin me that he doesnt know that the bugger needs three miles to be seen at his best. Anyway I reckon this will be off for its life today and then will prove to be Nicholls next big gold cup horse to fill the void left by Kauto and Denman.

    Thats the picture I have painted anyway.

    #384139
    BeauRanger
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    fantastic performance – great horse – must be gold cup bound now :shock:

    #384140
    Gazs Way De SolzenGazs Way De Solzen
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    Absolutely foot perfect.

    Excellent performance from the horse.

    Took out so many lengths at some of his jumps, really good display from a novice chaser.

    #384141
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    Wow!

    Am on at 7/1 (or was it 8’s?) for the RSA.
    But (although I love seeing outstanding performances in any race, whether I’ve backed something or not) that race makes him more likely to go for the big one at Cheltenham. Now around 10/1 for the Gold Cup. If he gets any shorter than the now 2/1 for the RSA will save by laying back.

    value is everything
    #384143
    Gazs Way De SolzenGazs Way De Solzen
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    Wow!

    Am on at 7/1 (or was it 8’s?) for the RSA.
    But (although I love seeing outstanding performances in any race, whether I’ve backed something or not) that race makes him more likely to go for the big one at Cheltenham. Now around 10/1 for the Gold Cup. If he gets any shorter than the now 2/1 for the RSA will save by laying back.

    You have to wonder, if that performance will make connections really consider the Gold Cup. Yes, he is a novice, but the Gold Cup line-up, at present, doesnt have the depth or quality of previous years.

    Add to that, we dont know what future plans are for Kauto Star, so whether he will line up at Cheltenham in March, is another question. Take out Long Run from the Gold Cup, and it is a wide open race.

    Wouldnt surprise me if he went for the Gold Cup, especially if he keeps displaying the type of performances he showed in today’s race.

    If he does for the RSA, then Gingstertipster, you have a great ante-post bet there!

    #384153
    befairbefair
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    Don’t get carried away boys. He only finished a few lengths clear of the 2nd and 3rd, and we don’t know yet how this year’s novices rate; last year’s bunch have not been shining. It was visually impressive because of the way the pace-setters crumbled. Good performance at novice level, but a lot to prove at Gold Cup level.

    #384189
    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    I can’t fault Grand Crus as he won in exactly the fashion I thought he would. They have entered him for the Gold Cup and while it may not be as hard a race to win as it was when Kauto and Deman ruled the roost it’s still a massive jump to make.

    Long term the Gold Cup would be a mistake novices should stay in novice company and learn their trade. Running a horse not quite ready for a slog like the Gold Cup can ruin a young or inexperienced horse.

    The easiest race for Grand Crus to win would be the Ryanair but DP says the RSA remains his target.

    I’m not going to say at this point he’s a good thing for the RSA but he’s a worth fav.

    The reason why is Bog Warrior fell today so we learned nothing more about him but he’s a very good horse and could be anything.

    No denying his win today was a huge step towards Grand Crus winning the RSA but I’ll wait until the day before backing him if I end up doing so.

    #384191
    GingertipsterGingertipster
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    Don’t get carried away boys. He only finished a few lengths clear of the 2nd and 3rd, and we don’t know yet how this year’s novices rate; last year’s bunch have not been shining. It was visually impressive because of the way the pace-setters crumbled. Good performance at novice level, but a lot to prove at Gold Cup level.

    Certainly has something to prove at Gold Cup level to Befair. But is improving and it’s not the form (lengths etc) it’s how he won it. Always travelling and jumping well. Never under maximum pressure and value for more than distances suggest. There might be a doubt about Grands Crus upped to the Gold Cup distance, taking a bit of a tug. What happened to Gloria Victis might persuade connections to remain on the novice route.

    Do wonder whether they’ve lengthened Bobs Worth a little too much. With a more severe test of stamina around Cheltenham, 12/1 could look good each way value come March.

    value is everything
    #384196
    thehorsesmouththehorsesmouth
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    Bobs Worth is the one I will take out of the race. Stayed on nicely at the finish and wasn’t knocked around too much by Gerathy. Cheltenham will suit him much better and although Grand Crus will be hard to beat, I’d rather back the Henderson horse of the two, at the prices.

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