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  • in reply to: Wymott…? #383091
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    Two words

    Grand National

    in reply to: Meaningless racing phrases #383090
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    Every jockey must feel they are different to another jockey. Every trainer must surely realise that each jockey has different strengths, weaknesses, thought processes etc. It must be accepted in racing ?

    So who the hell do commentators and analysts – even top jocks like Mick Fitz – comment that a jockey has missed a winner through injury when a horse they would have rode finishes first ?! They never comment when the jockey who replaced the injured / suspended jockey doesn’t win.

    They make it sound as if they’re all the same. Annoys me. Just a horse racing platitude – and i think we’ve enough of those.

    in reply to: Pronouncing Quantitativeeasing #383087
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    Impressed that the only person who has to pronounce it quickly – Simon Holt, because he’s commentating – is also the only person who pronounces it correctly. (Apart from Robert Peston of course, but who wants to listen to him??)

    Should be QUANTY-TATIVE-EASING. Not QUANTY-TIVE-EASING.

    And why is Freddy Tylicki always pronounced Freddie TY-LIT-SKI?

    Mike

    Infuriates me, as it does connections

    How about " Ingles Drever " a few years ago ?

    Ty-lit-ski and Ingles are both correct.

    It’s Ing-lis.

    in reply to: The Big Buck’s World Hurdle #383086
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    I thought it only right I rename this race as it has become a bit of a standing dish for the great horse.

    What I’d like to know is what happened to the 1/3 and 1/4 ante post prices this season.

    You could barely back him last season until Grand Crus came on the scene but this time you can get almost even money with nothing in the wings even likely to ge Big Bucks off the bridle come March.

    Oscar Whisky is a cracking horse fast enough to take on the best at 2 miles and a dab hand at 2m4f but 3 miles round Cheltenham?

    Looking back on his career Nicky chose to send him for the 2 mile Supreme Hurdle where he thought his best chance lay at the Festival.

    He’s won 7 times the first of which was a 1m6f NH flat race where speed is the name of the game. 4 of his wins over hurdle came at 2 miles including the Welsh Champion Hurdle at Ffos las.

    His best run was probably in the Champion Hurdle again the emphasis is more on speed than stamina and win came at Aintree the sharpest course in the country over 2m4f, when he was flat out to beat Thousand Stars.

    Stepped up to 2m5f for the first time again his high cruising speed wasn’t so much in evidence and ran out when he was kicked into action and flat to the boards when falling at the last against Overturn.

    Everything about him says he will not stay 3 miles especially round Cheltenham. Not even sure Nicky will go there after Ascot, time will tell.

    You then come to Thousand Stars who just won a Grade 1 in Ireland over 2 miles. I can’t see Wullie Mullins chasing Big Bucks as long as there’s the remote chance something might Happen to Hurricane Fly. Better to finish 2nd in the Champion Hurdle than gambling you might be able to get 2nd in the World Hurdle.

    That leaves what???

    This looks to me like it could be Big Buck’s easiest World Hurdle yet as the two main challengers have better options and most likely won’t turn up.

    If I am correct what price should he be 1/5 1/6 1/10??

    Lots of Oscar’s stay three miles, and he’s out of a Phardante mare, another source of stamina. 20f might be his optimum, but i think he’ll give Big Bucks at least a scare over three miles. He’ll be able to use his turn of foot over a sedate pace. I think he’ll be better over three than Punchestowns is.

    in reply to: 2012 Arkle #383026
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    What’s hindsight go to do with it ? I’m just pointing out that the race has been won by a horse with a ‘ quiet ‘ prep. Well Chief is another example. Strange race was 2004.

    Voy Por Ustedes won what is one of the most recognised trial races for the Arkle. Hardly quiet. Rather there were others perhaps fancied more, but as i said already, there were so many considered contenders that year so he got lost in the shuffle a little bit.

    Captain Chris – Cheltenham, Chepstow, Newbury, Sandown, Kempton
    Sizing Europe – Punchestown, Leopardstown
    Forpadydeplasterer – Fairyhouse, Punchestown, Leopardstown
    Tidal Bay – Aintree, Cheltenham , Doncaster
    Contraband – Aintree, Cheltenham, Sandown

    That’s what i mean by quiet, and that thus far, PC has had a similar prep, shying from the bigger tracks and tougher opposition.

    in reply to: 2012 Arkle #382921
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    for me the horses with the best hurdles form, peddlers cross and al ferof, make the market for sprinter sacre.

    of the three of them he really looks like a chaser, and can jump like one. It seems to me that mccain isn’t that confident of peddlers cross ability to jump around grade one tracks in competitive races over fences, otherwise why does he keep putting him in tin-pot races?

    for example this weekend he’s running him at haydock, in a very uncompetitive race. just to build his confidence. why not run him in the ascot novice chase tomorrow, which actually looks like a decent contest? no doubt he’ll go off at 1-5 at haydock and learn about as much as he would do in a schooling round.

    I don’t like the way he jumps so low, so little daylight at his fences. I feel he’ll clout one or two at cheltenham, as sprinter sacre is bound to put pressure on his jumping.

    as for al ferof, he was desperately unimpressive last time and I couldn’t have him with stolen money.

    time and time again people fall into the trap of thinking its all about hurdles form, when it comes to novice chasing, when history tells us its quite a different game altogether.

    Voy Por Ustedes had a prep like this before he won, but that wasn’t as good a renewal and he received weight.

    Some of the Sprinter Sacre’s jumps at Doncaster – well they’ll be worth a couple of lengths at Cheltenham.

    Hindsight. At the time, Voy Por Ustedes won what was considered to be one of the hottest arkles in a long time. Racing Demon, Missed That, Monets Garden, Foreman amongs others at the time were all very highly thought of. Turns out it wasn’t that strong, but at the time it was probably considered as strong as this years renewal.

    What’s hindsight go to do with it ? I’m just pointing out that the race has been won by a horse with a ‘ quiet ‘ prep. Well Chief is another example. Strange race was 2004.

    in reply to: Neptune Novices #382920
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    Simonsig should go for the Neptune. Second to a decent rival doesn’t mean he needs dropping back in trip. Everything about him says 2 1/2 miles.

    in reply to: The Weekend's Racing #382919
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    Can’t understand anyone backing Chablais if they’d seen it’s first run. More importantly, i can’t understand why Henderson kept it right handed after he said he wouldn’t !
    Unless there’s a plot.

    in reply to: Pronouncing Quantitativeeasing #382918
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    Impressed that the only person who has to pronounce it quickly – Simon Holt, because he’s commentating – is also the only person who pronounces it correctly. (Apart from Robert Peston of course, but who wants to listen to him??)

    Should be QUANTY-TATIVE-EASING. Not QUANTY-TIVE-EASING.

    And why is Freddy Tylicki always pronounced Freddie TY-LIT-SKI?

    Mike

    Infuriates me, as it does connections

    How about " Ingles Drever " a few years ago ?

    in reply to: Brampour rated 168 #382917
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    He didn’t have the cheekpieces fitted when he went down to the start as declared (I think that was the piece of tack). They fitted them at the start but it was deemed he wasn’t allowed to run. Perhaps Mr Nicholls has found a new ruse to make a mockery of Grade 3 handicaps.

    Think about it – how stupid is this rule ?

    " Sorry , Cech, but you left the changing room with your gloves on and took them off during the warm-up. You’re off "

    If it gets the horse to the start but he runs in the specified aids – who cares ?!! This falls under the same " Get Rid To Improve Racing " banner as horses planting themselves at the start but being declared under horses.

    Racing – love it but it’s so full of ****

    in reply to: 12-5 odds #382916
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    Yes it is between 5/2 and 9/4

    The decimal equates to 3.4

    In order to figure out any you are not aware of MarkTT do the following

    For decimal conversion, A/B +1 example 12/5 +1 = 3.4
    To get the percentage, B/(A+B) example 5/(12+5)*100 = 29.41%

    Thanks but i’m not slow :mrgreen:

    Was curious as i’d never seen it as an s.p
    Can understand why bookies would introduce it. Saw an 8-5 earlier, too.

    in reply to: 2012 Arkle #382822
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    for me the horses with the best hurdles form, peddlers cross and al ferof, make the market for sprinter sacre.

    of the three of them he really looks like a chaser, and can jump like one. It seems to me that mccain isn’t that confident of peddlers cross ability to jump around grade one tracks in competitive races over fences, otherwise why does he keep putting him in tin-pot races?

    for example this weekend he’s running him at haydock, in a very uncompetitive race. just to build his confidence. why not run him in the ascot novice chase tomorrow, which actually looks like a decent contest? no doubt he’ll go off at 1-5 at haydock and learn about as much as he would do in a schooling round.

    I don’t like the way he jumps so low, so little daylight at his fences. I feel he’ll clout one or two at cheltenham, as sprinter sacre is bound to put pressure on his jumping.

    as for al ferof, he was desperately unimpressive last time and I couldn’t have him with stolen money.

    time and time again people fall into the trap of thinking its all about hurdles form, when it comes to novice chasing, when history tells us its quite a different game altogether.

    Voy Por Ustedes had a prep like this before he won, but that wasn’t as good a renewal and he received weight.

    Some of the Sprinter Sacre’s jumps at Doncaster – well they’ll be worth a couple of lengths at Cheltenham.

    in reply to: The Long Walk 2011 #382765
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    Oscar Whiskey is so good at 2 1/2 miles, the Relkeel a no brainer. Far from certain to stay 3 miles anyway.

    I think Oscar Whisky would give Big Bucks at least a scare over 3 miles. Travels like he would, has a turn of foot, breeding says stamina.

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    On the card tomorrow is Henderson’s Hadrians Approach, by High Chapparal out of a Roselier mare. Have to say, i love that breeding and could be a possible for the Spring festivals.

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    Why has Quinn been banned when praised for the rides that were under scrutiny ?

    in reply to: Brampour rated 168 #382756
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    I noticed Graham Cunningham tweeting this morning about some of the handicappers revisions after the weekend.

    The handicappers reasoning can be found on this blog on the bha website.

    http://www.britishhorseracing.com/goracing/blogs/handicappers.asp

    Personally I can’t side with the logic what so ever. I just don’t think Brampour was good enough and even if Ruby had been on board the result wouldn’t have been any different.

    At a quick scout of the BHA ratings this now has Brampour as the second highest hurdler in the UK (ignoring Peddlers Cross) with only Big Bucks rated higher.

    What are peoples thoughts on this? Any idea how Timeform rated it?

    The handicappers make me laugh. I’ve seen horses not dropped in the weights after failing to complete two or three times in succession, with the reason given that they were travelling well at the time and could have won. I’m talking about the second or third last at Cheltenham. How many times have we seen horses fade after the second last at Cheltenham ? Take a few pounds off. If it wins, put it back up.

    Also, last season or one before i watched a plater win it’s first race in maybe twenty attempts. It won a shocking race by a mile and the handicapper put it up nearly two stone. Seriously – what the **** is that about ?

    And then there’s Crozan being rated three pounds lower than Monkerhostin in the National weights.

    The handicapper is an ***, under the thumb of the bookmakers. I’ll never forgive Smith for his comments at Cheltenham where he said his ideal finish would see a 50-1 shot just edge out the favourite – tells you all you need to know about what influences him most.

    The handicappers remind me of the oil companies. Very quick and full of excuses to put things up, incredibly reluctant to drop them.

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    Also, he names a couple of examples as proof enough why people are wrong to criticise their handling of placed horses. Given a day or two, i could list hundreds of examples of horses that have been harshly treated.

    in reply to: The Ladbroke 2011 #382690
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    I think Rajdhani Express has a target, whether it’s this or something in the Spring i’m not sure but it definitely has a decent race in it.

    Act Of Kalanisi is my each way bet @ 25-1. Course, distance and going should all be in favour. Trainer had a couple of winners in recent days. Only had five runs over hurdles and should improve.

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