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- September 20, 2013 at 11:42 in reply to: Ryanair 2014 Who can beat the second best chaser in training #451853
The way the Henderson camp were raving about Simonsig before he won the Neptune and that they couldn’t wait to see him over fences, was similar to how they were raving about Sprinter Sacre when he was going over fences. Obviously that horse is on another planet, but the vibes were similar about both of them going over fences. Admittedly, Simonsig only scrambled home in the arkle, but he looks as though a step up in trip would be ideal. He hosed up in the Neptune and over the same trip in the Ryanair, I think he could well be up to beating the very good Cue Card if they go that route with him. I can’t see anything else getting anywhere near these two with Simonsig just getting the better of Cue Card. A long way to go, but would make for a great race.
Speaking of this trip 2m 5f, Henderson said it’s a shame there was no Ryanair over hurdles for Oscar Whisky. If he can jump a fence the 10/1 about the Jewson is a great price. He was virtually unbeatable over 2 and half over hurdles, if he’s as good over fences, it would take a good one lower his colours.
Simonsig – Ryanair – 5/1
Oscar Whisky – Jewson – 10/1As much as I love both Dawn Approach and Toronado, I think Declaration of War could spoil the "duel". It’s never a two horse race, and judging by the manner he won over a mile at Ascot, I’d say he has a decent chance. He cantered all over them there, and Aljamaheer has won a group 2 and Elusive Kate has won 2 group 1’s since, so I wouldn’t say the form was bad.
It’s a question of how good the 3 year olds are (obviously they are) but at the prices, I wouldn’t say it’s a 2 horse race. DOW could be anything over a mile himself. Should be a cracking race.Not sure I quite understand the back slapping congratulations on someone tipping a winner in a race when they have not only selected, but backed 2 or 3 in the race. Sorry, but can’t call that tipping I’m afraid. Pick one, stand by it…
Congratulations to all of those on what seems a very easy winner, still don’t believe Beckett thinks she’s the better of the two. Think the race was falsely run, had a few scrimmages, and just don’t think it panned out to be a classic classic so to speak.
If the race were to be re-run….and jockeys to be re-jigged…..Secret Gesture would not be left for dead by her lesser fancied stablemate…just my opinion….Secret Gesture won’t be beaten by Talent again this season….It would be heplful to actually a tip a runner. All Bolger’s comments pointed to Loch Garman definately running in the IR 2000….now not running…..no reason as yet.
I have already mentioned this on the Derby thread through Battle of Marengo, but I fancy Loch Garman to win the IR 2000. Battle of Marengo keeps on winning, is second fav for the Derby and has done absolutely nothing wrong. Loch Garman put up a perfectly staisfactory reappearance behind DOM and according to Bolger, will come on bundles for the race. He thinks he’s a nice horse, has plaenty of speed for the drop back to a mile, so if loads more to come and no Dawn Approach in the race, 10/1 looks a massive price to me.
Trying to work this one out…it’s obvious Dawn Approach is the classiest thing we have seen since Frankel, although that wouldn’t be hard given he’s just retired. But looking at what I think are the correct race times, Dawn Approach ran the 2000 guineas in virtually the same time as Frankel on identical ground, and also Sea The Stars. Most people would have questioned Frankel’s ability to last a mile and a half because of his speed, yet Sea The Stars proved them all wrong. Now to Dawn approach….it’s quite possible he could be mentioned in the same breath as the aforementioned come the end of the season, but I really do believe that Frankel slaughtered a very weak guineas field and Sea The Stars won a very weak derby. Dawn Approach could quite easily win the Derby given his class, but because of the speed he has shown,I’m inclined to side with a touch of class and bit of staying pedigree, and to that I will side with Battle of Marengo. Not many horses break the track record even though their saddle slipped, hasn’t done too much wrong, will stay, and will go on good ground. To me rates the bet as he ticks all the boxes in my opinion. He beat Trading Leather and Loch Garman by virtually the same distance so Bolger will know where he stands, and for those Loch Garman fans, he seems a decent horse in his own right, so will be doing a Loch Garman (IR 2000) and Battle of Marengo (Derby)double. I believe the Derrinstown has been the best pointer for the Derby and other top races for many a recent year.
To me it looked like Hot Snap was pretty green and was being scrubbed along to just keep up for the first half of the race. In the end won going away which might mean she needs further. Still looked a useful performance though.
Sky Lantern looked to be the best horse in the way she travelled, but found nothing when it mattered. Either an extra furlong might help her too, and if it’s true Hannon’s horses are needing a run, I wouldn’t rule out a better showing in the guineas. You need to be able to travel well and I think Hot Snap may find it harder to keep up, whereas Sky Lantern will travel well through the race. If Hot Snap isn’t too outpaced early will be thereabouts, and I think Sky Lantern will be too.my personal tip for this year is beauty parlour.
Did Beauty Parlour need the run when last seen? Didn’t seem to be the horse everyone was raving about. Could well turn out to be a better 4yo, and with the right man to train older filles. But would she stick to racing against her own sex, or tackle most 1 mile G1’s?
I am trying to compile my 10 to follow list too and am striggling to find a miler that stands out.What a horse!!
I’m a huge Sprinter Sacre fan, the most exciting horse in training, the Frankel of the jumps. But I do genuinely believe the 2 mile division is very weak at present and that’s why he looks so good. Sizing Europe apart (who is not as good as he was, and almost tripped over when chasing SS at Cheltenham), I really don’t think there has been that much for him to beat. Cue Card is definitely better over further than 2m.
Today could be the day we see an upset, he’s up against specialist 2 and half mile horses, and has to prove he’s effective at this trip also. Flemenstar is obviously a decent horse, Cue Card has proved himself over this trip, Finians Rainbow (if back to his best) has looked good over CD, as did For Non Stop at the start of the season. He could well win on a bike, so at the prices playing for second place I will go For Non Stop at 40/1. If he’s back to the form of his previous Aintree romp, (won in a good time) he could well be the one to follow SS home. But if the favourite has any flaws over this trip, could be a decent price winner. I know I tipped him up for the Ryanair, but I think Aintree is his course, and the ground is perfect.I know it’s anybody’s guess at the moment, but what will the going be like? Normally decent ground at Aintree, but a couple of my fancies are good ground dependent, and given the freak weather we’ve had, could it be a bog come next Saturday?
1 – My Tent Or Yours
2 – Simonsig
3 – Hey Big Spender
4 – Binocular – Nap
5 – Sizing Australia
6 – Swing Bowler
7 – Restless Harry – NBThere’s a big difference between 2 miles and 3 mile 2f of the gold cup, so there’s definitely a need for an interim race.
I think the champion chase has been cut up due to owners running scared of one horse more than the fact there is an option over further. If Cue Card was a crack 2 miler he would be heading for the champion. As he’s not he has a good chance of winning the race over further because he’s not fast enough to win a champion chase.
He certainly wouldn’t stay 3 mile 2f so why go for the gold cup either?One I haven’t seen mentioned on this thread is Solwhit.
Admittedly, he has stamina to prove, he stays two and a half well enough, but will he stay three? That’s been the question hanging over Oskar Whisky’s head for a while, and although OW ran well enough last time to suggest he stays, didn’t quite find enough to go past. In comparison, Solwhit has shown better form consistently against Hurricane Fly over time, has beaten Voler La Vedette over two and a half, who gave Big Bucks an almighty fright last year. Won an Aintree hurdle (Oscar Whisky’s race) a while back. Obviously coming back from injury tempers enthusiasm to a degree, but being three times the price of Oscar Whisky, I would prefer to take the chance he stays well enough in a truly run race over Oscar Whisky anytime at the prices. His first run back for a very long time he was found wanting behind Bog Warrior in very heavy ground. On better going and no bounce factor, I think he may well run a huge race. Clearly still retains a touch of class and at around 10/1 would be my value bet.Hurricane Fly as he has the gears in small fields / slow pace, but with strong travelling types like Grandouet & Binocular, I would have thought a stronger pace would suit better?
With the race now cut up to probably only eight going to post, and seemingly Khyber Kim the only one without a chance, where will the pace come from?
Will Rock On Ruby or Zarkandar try to wind it up from the front and try and stay there? Or will it be set it up perfectly for a small field bully / speedster like Hurricane Fly?
I think without a strong pace you can also say Grandouet and Binocular’s chances will suffer as a consequence, or will Khyber Kim be the one to tow them along at a decent pace?
All in all I can only see the small field and no confirmed front runner benefitting Hurricane Fly.Paddy Power trying to get Hurricane Fly beat, now Hills trying to get him (albeit for very tight amounts by the sound of it)…I’m assuming they think it can’t win?
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