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- April 17, 2013 at 16:32 #436533
Considering that her half sister took a while to come to hand and she’s just won a G3 impressively on only her second start I’d say she’s the one to beat.
Over the years the trainer has handled his top fillies beautifully and hopefully she’ll prove to be another.
Lee
April 17, 2013 at 20:48 #436563Wasn’t particularly impressed with that Nell Gwyn form.. I realise it’s just my opinion but think the fact that Hot Snap is favourite for the Guineas is a major overreaction.
It has to be noted that Hot Snap clocked a faster winning time than the colt Garswood did in the Free Handicap earlier, albeit carrying 2 lbs less. She came into the race on a rating of 78 and Garswood was ranked 106 coming into his race today, making it look decent form particularly when one considers that Sky Lantern is a GP1 winner and has form with Certify. For the form to be unimpressive I would say we have to opine that Sky Lantern has not trained on, which is always possible as she did have a busy time last year. Looking at the race today there might not be much strength in depth outside the first three. Winning Express was my each-way pick today as I believed Sky Lantern was too short and I also felt Nargys was artificially prominent in the market based on a second to the touted Just The Judge, who apparently worked well before racing today. Nargys finished stone last today and if any Just The Judge fans were looking for a boost to the form, they got a kick in the cobblers instead. I have backed Just The Judge at 20/1 for the 1000 Guineas and have to admit that Hot Snap had me reaching for the oxygen mask today. She is a danger that I did not foresee, or desire. Still, I reckon the winner will be from Hot Snap, Just The Judge or What A Name and dismiss Moth, despite her good showing, based on the fact she might have beaten trees in the maiden she won. It should be an interesting race and I hope something emerges from The Craven tomorrow to put up a challenge to Dawn Approach and spice up the 2000 Guineas.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 17, 2013 at 21:20 #436566Do you not think that it’s irrelevant what she’s beaten though, given how much depth in strength O’brien has in his stable, anything he sends for a big race is pretty much going to have a very good chance? I mean to use a recent example, Kingsbarns hardly had great form going into the Racing Post trophy, but he hosed up.
Basically he times them at home as well, so he has a very good understanding of the pecking order in his stable.
Moth, according to my admittedly rough timings, basically ran with a rocket up her bum in the final furlong of her maiden. Admittedly she was coming off a very slow pace, but she was still able to run the final furlong quicker than the winner of the five furlong maiden on the same card.
Maybe with that sort of speed she’s more of a Guineas filly than Oaks filly. Anyway I can’t have Hot Snap at all, perhaps i’m going to be left with egg on my face, but I was hardly blown away by her performance today. In fact the only horse who impressed me on that card was the Fabre horse.
April 17, 2013 at 21:53 #436569I think theres’ a certain vulnerability about Dermot Weld horses in big races
Hi EGS,
I don’t know what you mean by ‘certain vulnerability’?
April 17, 2013 at 22:32 #436571Having been there and seen Hot Snap sprout wings and come from last to first, passing my much fancied selection Sky Lantern on the rail and making her look mediocre which she certainly is not…I would be very worried that this filly is going to win the 1000 Guineas.
Looking at her action she is going to love the drying ground and her turn of foot took your breath away.Sky Lantern looked big and burley in the paddock and the way Hannon’s horses are running it’s as if they are short of a race, he’ll be looking more to Royal Ascot for having his horses fit at this rate.
Trainers today such as Balding, David Evans, Richard Fahy, Andre Fabre (what a horse that Intello was, Olivier Peslier never moved a muscle on him) Henry Candy and Rod Milman. Only Cecil and Godolphin flying the flag for Newmarket trainers.
Would also add that Sir Henry is very sweet on Frankel’s half brother Morpheus after he ran 4th to Godolphin’s Improvisation today, he actually came into the winners enclosure to have a word with Tom Queally and the owners and spent time making a fuss of the horse, he then very sportingly went across to the Godolphine representatives and shook them by the hand.
Pleased to report that he was looking so much better today albeit still thin and the delight of Hot Snap winning the Nel Gwyn obviously putting a spring in his step.A brilliant first day and it will be interesting to see if Hannon’s Toronado is fit tomorrow or if Dundonnell will take the spoils, on todays results my money would be on Dundonnell.
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...April 18, 2013 at 00:23 #436579Breathtaking turn of foot? Must have been watching a different race to me, although I guess it’s a game of opinions.
I don’t know Horse’s mouth, maybe i’m talking bollox here, but there’s just something a bit soft about them. (Weld’s) Or maybe that’s the case with anything that wins like Big Break has been doing, showing a brilliant burst of speed, you wonder what they’ll be like in a battle. When the chips are really down.
Very few guineas are won by raw speed, most tend to be an war of attrition. That’s why a lot of guineas winners tend to have high dosage profiles, you need that depth of stamina to get home over the stiff mile early in your three year old career.
Also I can’t recall of the top of my head if he’s ever won the English 1000, but I imagine he’s had a few fancied ones.
Then again having said all this i’d far rather back Big Break at this stage than the now overhyped Hot Spark or whatever it’s called.
April 18, 2013 at 11:18 #436618Do you not think that it’s irrelevant what she’s beaten though, given how much depth in strength O’brien has in his stable
I don’t recommend backing horses without giving consideration to what grade of race they have been running in and what class of horse they have been facing. Time will show what the horses who ran behind Moth are capable of and the first runner Bethany Bay, who finished 3rd to Moth was only 4th on her next start, in another maiden race. Of course O’Brien has a powerful string of horses bred in the purple but the fact that a maiden winner, previously beaten twice, is his main contender shows that sometimes there is no rabbit at the bottom of the hat, irrespective of how big that hat is. In an open looking year she has a chance of course and I might have considered a saver on the day, but another contender has surfaced and beaten a GP1 winner in the process. That has to mean that Moth has a harder task on her plate than before and I won’t back her now. I would be interested to see match odds between the two on the day.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 18, 2013 at 11:53 #436624To me it looked like Hot Snap was pretty green and was being scrubbed along to just keep up for the first half of the race. In the end won going away which might mean she needs further. Still looked a useful performance though.
Sky Lantern looked to be the best horse in the way she travelled, but found nothing when it mattered. Either an extra furlong might help her too, and if it’s true Hannon’s horses are needing a run, I wouldn’t rule out a better showing in the guineas. You need to be able to travel well and I think Hot Snap may find it harder to keep up, whereas Sky Lantern will travel well through the race. If Hot Snap isn’t too outpaced early will be thereabouts, and I think Sky Lantern will be too.April 18, 2013 at 14:18 #436639Hannon Jr. stated today that SL would come on for the race yesterday, fair enough and with Hot Snap winning with 3lb. also fair enough.
Certify beat SL at NMKT in a GP3 on her 2nd race, started slowly too.
Sir Henry is my hero but if Hot Snap can bounce in from yesterday in 2 1/2 weeks time on her 3rd. only run hen brilliant but Certifys’ team have had , until right now, 3 runners – 2 winners and a second.
To me it all points to Certify, unbeaten – ground not a problem so i just she wakes up on the day in a good mood.April 18, 2013 at 14:40 #436642Obviously nice for the stable to be among the winners but I have a feeling Certify might not progress as much as some of her rivals. The trainer said she has not grown at all over the winter and although that might not be as big a factor as it is sometimes made out to be, it contrasts with Just The Judge who is reported to have thrived and could be mistaken for a colt.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
April 18, 2013 at 21:26 #436697Breathtaking turn of foot? Must have been watching a different race to me, although I guess it’s a game of opinions.
I don’t know Horse’s mouth, maybe i’m talking bollox here, but there’s just something a bit soft about them. (Weld’s) Or maybe that’s the case with anything that wins like Big Break has been doing, showing a brilliant burst of speed, you wonder what they’ll be like in a battle. When the chips are really down.
Very few guineas are won by raw speed, most tend to be an war of attrition. That’s why a lot of guineas winners tend to have high dosage profiles, you need that depth of stamina to get home over the stiff mile early in your three year old career.
Also I can’t recall of the top of my head if he’s ever won the English 1000, but I imagine he’s had a few fancied ones.
Then again having said all this i’d far rather back Big Break at this stage than the now overhyped Hot Spark or whatever it’s called.
I think you’re being very unfair EGS. I’ve been watching Irish flat racing closely for three or four years now and I haven’t seen anything that has led me to believe there is anything characteristically soft about his horses. What I do know is this: when Weld sends one overseas, take note. In my opinion the likeliest route for Big Break is Irish 100 Guineas and then the Coronation Stakes.
Saying that ‘very few guineas are won by raw speed’ and ‘most tend to be a war of attrition’ also seems strange to me. I don’t think the Guineas is any more of a war than any number of Group 1’s throughout the season: but it’s obviously beneficial to have a horse who’ll stick their head down and battle, particularly in the best races where they’re likely to meet the best of the rest.
April 18, 2013 at 22:43 #436700Maybe you’re right horse’s mouth, but historically the guineas are littered with horses who looked very good beforehand, were very well fancied, but then failed to stay on the big day. If you have something with a sires average winning distance of progeny of say 6.5 furlongs, and the dam’s sire the same, then avoid like the plague.
On the other hand if it reads more like 10 furlongs on both sides then you are more in the ballpark. That isn’t always the case of course but it tends to be.
April 19, 2013 at 20:08 #436778Hoping that winning Express can improve for the extra furlong and come on for that run in the Nell Gwyn. Was beaten far enough but didn’t get the clearest of runs. Seemed to be going on at the finish although admittedly Hot Snap and Sky Lantern were both eased.
April 19, 2013 at 22:50 #436798Is Maureen going to run?
I think she is Richard Hannon’s best filly at the moment and might invest a little in the hope that she turns Rosdhu Queen over tomorrow.
April 20, 2013 at 09:58 #436835i’m going for desert image in the fred darling- most of the others look like two year old sprinters.
in the john porter it’s a guarantee, take on olympic glory with moojahim, and in the last a speculative punt on dragon city
April 20, 2013 at 14:02 #436856Very smooth from Maureen there, looking a shade tubby and won with plenty in hand. It was probably not the best 1000 Guineas trial but I’m feeling good about my bet after that.
April 22, 2013 at 18:18 #437024Bad news for Certify!!
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