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Apparently Coneygree spread a plate Monday morning and it’s “touch and go” for him to make the race.
For more see the RP site.Thanks for the answer SC. You might even have just a 4-runner race on Saturday, since I can’t see all Charlie Hall runners lining up. You might ask yourself if we are out of high class steeple chasers. 2nd place prize money is a very generous 42k, even if you think that Silviniaco Conti is unbeatable.
Good point about Ffos Las and Newbury. The only fence missing is the Cross Fence which you don’t have at Ffos Las. Market Rasen and Musselburgh is also quite good, though the Musselburgh fences are ,as you have mentioned, quite unforgiving. Especially in the closing stages.
I really thought that Doncaster and particularly Newcastle are quite similar. Especially since they never seem to run downhill when entering the country.
I was never aware of a stiff uphill finish at Newcastle. To me it was more due to a possible sticky ground.Carlisle, Exeter and even Ascot are downhill when you leave the home straight. I thought that Newbury and Chepstow were quite similar thanks to the undulations, the very long straight (5 fences at Chepstow, 4 at Newbury) and the fact that they are both left-handed tracks.
Does anyone know which courses have the same underground conditions underneath the turf.
By the way, don’t you people think that Southwell (NH) and Worcester are almost twin tracks?
Both use portable fences and hurdles, are very flat and oval left-handed tracks with a nice long straight (about 3f – 4f).Thanks apracing. I was too lazy to search for My Way De Solzen, but I completely forgot about Bacchanal. Anyway, the stats don’t really favour the WH winner to be a chasing superstar. A hurdles rating in the lower 150s would be more fitting for this fellow. But that doesn’t count any longer, because tomorrow they will enter a new discipline.
The horse I’m also looking at is Ballyalton. 13/2 is not a bad price, if he stays on his feet and the fact that he handles the course’s demands very well, make him quite interesting. I won’t be taking anything away from More Of That, but 1st time out over fences at this track doesn’t make his debut easier.
Are there any stats about WH winners taking to fences. Most of them don’t switch to chasing and I really can’t remember a WH winner (nor a CH winner) becoming a G1 chaser later in the past 25 years. Please help and correct me if I’m wrong.I know what you are saying. Just think of Suny Bay being 2nd in a GN of 12-00 and finishing a distance ahead of the 3rd placed horse or Grey Abbey running away with the Scottish GN of 11-12 on the worst possible ground.
I still can’t understand why these horse weren’t rated in the 180s after such performances.
Probably they don’t tire that much under testing conditions like the rest. So what I’m thinking is that the likes of Denman, Suny Bay or Grey Abbey act better the more testing it gets, simply because the rest tires a lot faster in those grueling conditions NO MATTER what weight they carry.
That would be my only explanation. So you could assume that under more testing conditions, the weight is less significant than the ability to act on the ground or carry a bigger weight. On good going almost every body gets the same chance to act accordingly, since fatigue doesn’t play such a big role, and therefore, if everybody is fit enough, the weight plays a bigger role than on softer ground. I hope you can understand what I’m trying to talk about.IF he wins the Shloer chase, it would be the 1st real step towards recovery. In fact he should win the Shloer, because if his trainer is right, Sprinter Sacre must be well ahead of Bob’s Worth and Simonsig.
Why am I thinking that? Because instead being entered in a Micky Mouse hurdle race, he already runs in a proper G2 chase 1st time out. Now, if Bob’s Worth, who won just a training session 1st time out over hurdles, is suddenly a Hennessy horse and the runner up is a Tingle Creek horse, then Sprinter Sacre must be a machine and ready to do himself justice. Otherwise he would have replaced Simonsig in that hurdle race.
I have to think that Mr. Henderson gets it right and therefore Sprinter Sacre would be the logical bet at around 5/2. Though if he should win, he would still have to improve in order to get back to that “old” SS.Maximiser was quite impressive today. The time was extremely fast compared to the other races and he jumped every fence foot perfect. Good old Sire de Grugy could learn from how to jump an open ditch.
The winner (Silsol) was rated 158 over hurdles and I think Maximizer was about to be rated in that same sphere without his injury. Well, there aren’t many hurdlers of that calibre in the North anyway. He seems suited by a true test of stamina and clearly relishes a stiff uphill finish. If he improves for the run, he could win a few races on the trot before connections make up their minds for his spring target. I don’t think that Aintree will suit him and he might lack the class for Cheltenham. But anything on testing ground around Wetherby or Haydock should be his for the taking. We’ll see, but I’m excited that he’s back.When I started following NH racing 25 years ago, I was taught that the Pond Fence was a very tricky one. As far as I can remember there haven’t been more than a few fallers at it during this period of time (25 years). I can only remember one faller in the past 6 or 7 years at that obstacle, so I still don’t know what is so special or tricky about it.
I’m a Maximiser fan myself. Just hoping for a good comeback performance and an intriguing race. If the Nicholls horse runs like his other runners did on Saturday and Sunday, then the race might take less winning than expected.
Good luck to all!Well, I’m still sticking to my opinion that 4/9 and 4/11 were very skinny prices. Just let Monksland jump the last one properly and you might even have a photo finish in that one. Coneygree was brilliant today and might improve again this season, but how many Gold Cup winners are 95% – 100% fit first time out?
It is very likely that both of them will win. BUT, Arctic Fire needs a big field and a very fast pace to produce his best and he hasn’t won for about one and a half years. I know, there is no Faugheen or no Fly in the race, but it won’t be a walk over, so the odds look very slim to me.
Coneygree runs in a tricky race and you never know how fit he will be. If he is anywhere near his best and being at least a stone better off at the weights, he should win. But once again taking for 4/11 in a race which he doesn’t have to win seems also quite skinny to me.
Two horses that should win, but your returns will be less than even money. I don’t know if it’s worth it, but I wouldn’t bet on them anyway. Still, good luck to you and nice that you have started such a thread!The idea with the Stayers Hurdle for Bob’s Worth is a “worthy” one. That race is always easier to win than a chase at the Festival. Todays time was 19.00 seconds too slow, but it was still at least half a minute faster than the other races ran there. So you know that he went a pretty decent gallop and there were no signs of stopping.
I would seriously consider him for the World Hurdle.
Simonsig was way too keen and surely this trip could be his absolute maximum unless he learns to settle a bit better.Good performance from both of them. I have no clue what the clock said and I also had no clue about the outcome of the race. Geraghty was just a bit too confident going to the last and looked a bit “unlucky” on the horse. I still think that the winner beat him fair and square, but I can’t make any suggestions about the reliability of today’s form. Maybe both Ferguson runners underperformed and you still don’t have more than a good match between two stablemates.
Anyway my prediction about the outcome of the race was very poor. Let’s see where they will go on from now.
