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At 4/9 Arctic Fire and 4/11 Coneygree they are slight odds on the pair winning.
I think it is the besy value of the current jumps season. I think they should be 1/5 and 1/7 respectively.
Well I am on anywayIt is very likely that both of them will win. BUT, Arctic Fire needs a big field and a very fast pace to produce his best and he hasn’t won for about one and a half years. I know, there is no Faugheen or no Fly in the race, but it won’t be a walk over, so the odds look very slim to me.
Coneygree runs in a tricky race and you never know how fit he will be. If he is anywhere near his best and being at least a stone better off at the weights, he should win. But once again taking for 4/11 in a race which he doesn’t have to win seems also quite skinny to me.
Two horses that should win, but your returns will be less than even money. I don’t know if it’s worth it, but I wouldn’t bet on them anyway. Still, good luck to you and nice that you have started such a thread!Arctic Fire improved no end last season but tooka while to get going. If you’re going to take on Mullins then now is the time of year to do, most of his needing the run. Was no surprise to see Gwencily Berbas heavily supported to beat Petite Parissiene yesterday, for instance.
Add to this that today’s race is over 2m 4f with a stiff finish. I really like Arctic Fire and hooe he’s given a proper Champion Hurdle campaign again this season – I have a fear they’ll try make a World Hurdle horse out of him. He’s all over a a Champion Hurdle horse for me and may once again be the biggest threat to Faugheen. I just feel today may be the day to catch him out.
What do you take him on with is the question. Noel Meade’s horses are improving plenty for their seasonal debuts and Monksland is probably better over further. Perhaps Taglietelle is the answer at 14/1. This trip will suit him better than the 2m around Tipperary last time and he was progressive last spring.
If I was going to play at marginal odds on today it would be Tycoon Prince rather than the Coneygree/Arctic Fire double. A great day’s racing in store.
Significant support for Monksland this morning, with his injury problems I guess Meade wants to strike when he’s in good health. I’ve taken some 4/1 e/w, if he’s ready he should have too much for the three outsiders while Arctic Fire may be vulnerable due to reasons outlined above.
Some big reputations dented at Navan there with Tycoon Prince in particular looking very one paced in third. The winner Three Stars does the form of Long Dog and Bachasson no harm.
Tommy, Mullins seems very bullish about Nichols Canyon, speaking as though the horse has not had the credit he believes it deserves. I get the impression he’s keener on NC for the Champion than on AF, so maybe the latter is Word bound
Tommy, Mullins seems very bullish about Nichols Canyon, speaking as though the horse has not had the credit he believes it deserves. I get the impression he’s keener on NC for the Champion than on AF, so maybe the latter is Word bound
That’s my worry Joe! I think Arctic Fire is a horse who has not received the credit he deserves. He improved in leaps and bounds last season and while Faugheen will go for the Christmas Hurdle I hope Arctic Fire is given the chance to take on Nichols Canyon in the Ryanair at Leopardstown. Nichols Canyon was an excellent novice last season, seen to bet effect when ridden prominently and using his high cruising speed to put others under pressure, funnily just the type of horse who may draw the best out of Arctic Fire. Arctic Fire very week in the betting at Navan here.
Arctic Fire is taking some stick on Twitter, with people labeling him a monkey and a dodgepot, even after that win. The mistake from Monksland (who traded at 1.02) at the last gave him a chance and he made rapid headway thereafter to gun him down.. I haven’t read any comments from connections but hopefully they’ll aim for the Fighting Fifth.
Mullins apparently saying he blew up
Yes they interviewed him on ATR not long ago. Mentioned the Fighting Fifth but said it might come a week too soon. Have we any idea what might be in opposition in that race?
Faugheen confirmed as an intended runner in the Morgiana on Sunday.
Apologies for derailing the OP’s call – which was a brave one imo, always is with odds-on chances. Congrats droffats
Yes good call Droffats, haven’t seen Coneygree’s race yet but by the sounds of things you didn’t have too much to worry about
At 4/9 Arctic Fire and 4/11 Coneygree they are slight odds on the pair winning.
I think it is the besy value of the current jumps season. I think they should be 1/5 and 1/7 respectively.
Well I am on anywayWell if people thought they were skinny prices for those two, they
looked pretty big after the event. Well done DroffatsWell, I’m still sticking to my opinion that 4/9 and 4/11 were very skinny prices. Just let Monksland jump the last one properly and you might even have a photo finish in that one. Coneygree was brilliant today and might improve again this season, but how many Gold Cup winners are 95% – 100% fit first time out?
Well have to admit, I got away with that. Coneygree however was very impressive and I don’t think he gets the credit he deserves.
Arctic Fire was very brave in the conditions and I don’t see why he as been crabbed. I thought he was beat coming to the last but fought all the way to the line and showed a fantastic attitide which will stand him in good stead for the rest of the season.Was at Sandown today and Coneygree’s jumping again was the most impressive thing to watch (although Southfield Theatre at no stage looked like he was ever really in the race).
The announcer interviewed Mark Bradstock after and he was asked on a scale of 1 to 100 how fit he was and he stated around 75-80. Looking at him in the pre parade ring, he surprisingly didn’t look burly at all and has obviously done a lot of work at home and whilst he will improve for the race, I wouldn’t say that it will be a massive improvement. The only thing I would have liked was for him to have been given a little bit more of a test today in preparation for the Hennessy.
Although I am quite sure that connections are just relieved to have passed this first test with the minimum of fuss – lets hope that everybody turns up with their ‘A’ game on the day, as this could be one of the best Hennessy’s in recent memory.
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