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That horse that won the 4.15 at Newbury yesterday, it impressed me with the way it accelerated through a gap although no doubt the time was very slow.
CALL TO MIND a derby winner for her majesty?
So Barney Roy is now 16/1 for the Derby on Betfair, but they’ve mysteriously voided the money I had on him at big prices
I’ve emailed them but it’s a bit weird. Does anyone have experience of this?
Not sure Barney Roy would get the trip, strikes me as a miler/1 mile 2 furlong type but no further.
Btw Haggas is already making hesitant noises concerned Call to mind. says that maybe the dante is too soon for him.
Ffs, Workforce ran in the dante having only had one run and it didn’t do him any harm. Not sure her majesty will be too happy if Haggas steers him away from Epsom with his usual timid approach.Maybe she should have kept sending them to Stoute.
Agreeing more and more with Steve here, he mentioned that Haggas had a similar approach with a horse last year that could have gone to the oaks, maybe this is why he’s not had much luck at the top table, his whole philosophy sucks
I’m shaking my head at Call To Mind sitting 16/1 for the Derby with Paddy Power.
A neck maiden win on 22nd April from a horse who was rated 64 coming in. There are only 41 days to the Derby now. That’s a desperate ask, even in a pretty crap looking year for middle distance Colts.
I put a pen through Akihiro after his seasonal return, I hope I am wrong but I didn’t get the feeling it was anywhere like Derby winning form.
This is a befuddled race. There are some slow looking horses in the field and Capri is one such colt who looks pretty dour.
I liked the look of Exemplar and backed him to small stakes at 33/1 before he was outstayed by Capri the next time he ran, on pretty testing ground. That group 2 race has not worked out and more worryingly Exemplar’s maiden win has worked out woefully, with zero wins from 16 subsequent runs. My ticket for him is filed in “Folder 13” ie the dustbin
I am uninspired really but rather than bet Eminent for the Guineas itself, I have backed, and am recommending a bet on Martyn Meade’s colt to win the Guineas/Derby double. If he were to win the Guineas, he will go as short as a carrot for the Derby and I mean mega short. It’s an ask of course but with a Derby field looking so devoid of talent, I think the Derby will look a penalty kick if he wins the Guineas and bangs Churchill off the Derby top spot.
The odds of reward are 33/1. I’ll have a slice of that thanks.
Guineas/Derby special Eminent 33/1
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Martin Meade rang into ATR’s Sunday Forum today and was very bullish about not only the 2000g but the Derby as well and said the main concern at Epsom would be his ability to act on the course rather than the 12F trip.
So Barney Roy is now 16/1 for the Derby on Betfair, but they’ve mysteriously voided the money I had on him at big prices
I’ve emailed them but it’s a bit weird. Does anyone have experience of this?
I had backed and layed Tartini a few times but his name is now off the list.
He’s not entered but never was to start with anyway but may turn up somewhere and run a blinder and get supplemented
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I’ve already done that Guineas/Derby special Steve and everything else you can get on EMINENT going on to actually do what his daddy didn’t and win the Derby so good luck with that bet and really happy that Eminent is now getting the kudos he deserves. Martyn Meade who before the Craven was described as not having much in his yard now has his hands full and good luck to him
The one bet that I did do with Eminent which I think now has no hope of turning up was a 1000 Guineas/2000 Guineas special with Roly Poly and she is going to have to turn up at the Gym every day to win it, but we’ve seen Aiden’s fillys underperforming before and romping home next time out so who knows.
Good luck to all who go with Emininent for Guineas and Derby glory, he looks like there’s much more to come and exciting times ahead.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...So Barney Roy is now 16/1 for the Derby on Betfair, but they’ve mysteriously voided the money I had on him at big prices
I’ve emailed them but it’s a bit weird. Does anyone have experience of this?
I had backed and layed Tartini a few times but his name is now off the list.
He’s not entered but never was to start with anyway but may turn up somewhere and run a blinder and get supplemented
Nathan, he’s due to run at Epsom on Wednesday, Robert Tart has been booked to ride.
If he wins then he gets an automatic entry.
Dettori will be on Cracksman on Wednesday by the looks of it. I’m always amazed that the Epsom trial is not better supported as surely one of the big question marks about running a horse in the Derby is how they’ll handle the course so surely the best race to run them in is at Epsom itself and if not then Lingfield (which is almost identical). How is York anything like Epsom I ask myself every year? Thank god for John Gosden’s continued runners these past years.
Moving on (can this guy not shut up people are thinking now…) Monarchs Glen (25/1 shot for the Derby) is down to run in the Sandown Classic Trial on Friday and it will be interesting how he gets on against Classic contenders. Another entered is David Simcock’s Fierce Impact (50/1 for Epsom glory) who easily won a soft ground Yarmouth maiden on his sole start from a 50/1 shot who was thrashed since. However, if you look past the runner up and assume it was a freak run due to the ground or whatever, the rest of the form is looking good and being by Deep Impact you’d imagine he won despite the ground. The trainer entering him up for a Derby trial despite a workable handicap mark is worth taking note of.
Well the epsom race is only a conditions race whereas the Dante is a group two.
recent derby winners to come out of the race include golden horn, workforce, authorized, motivator, north light.
it’s similar to the derby in that you need to be able to travel and keep your position to give yourself a chance in the straight.
by contrast with the dante, no horse has ever come out of the epsom trial and gone on to win the big race proper, as far as I’m aware.
Probably run a bit too early for the real Derby contenders to show up in, have to say I am a bit surprised that Cracksman is running as I thought the Dante would have been a better option but Gosden did win it last year with So Mi Dar and has won the race in all 4 times since 2007.
Traditionally the main trials have always been York (10 Derby winners), Lingfield (8 Derby winners), Chester (5 Derby winners from Vase & Dee St), Sandown (4 Derby winners) and Goodwood (1 Derby winner).
Interesting to note that Monarchs Glen will be attempting to give Gosden an 8th win in Sandown’s Classic Trial and the late Sir Henry Cecil still holds the record for number of Dante wins at 7 even though his last win was back in 1993 with Tenby.
Isn’t there a saying that the best derby trial is the 2000 guineas. I can count 16 winners just since 1900 and presumably there are more.
Thinking about Churchill, if he was to win the guineas I would think he might fall into the category of brilliantly fast horses to have won the guineas but were unable to follow up in the derby itself (a fairly long list)
Eminent gives more encouragement on pedigree though, being by Frankel who easily got 10 furlongs and his granddam on the female side was a running on second in the oaks won by Kazzia.
If he was to win the guineas (a BIG if) then arguably the derby might be an even better race for him on paper.
So Barney Roy is now 16/1 for the Derby on Betfair, but they’ve mysteriously voided the money I had on him at big prices
I’ve emailed them but it’s a bit weird. Does anyone have experience of this?
I had backed and layed Tartini a few times but his name is now off the list.
He’s not entered but never was to start with anyway but may turn up somewhere and run a blinder and get supplemented
Nathan, he’s due to run at Epsom on Wednesday, Robert Tart has been booked to ride.
If he wins then he gets an automatic entry.
‘If’…..No danger pal.He could have given ‘Youmkin’ a 5 length headstart at Nottingham and still beat him…’Cracksman’ with Frankie on will take all the money too.A bit of 5/1 would do me.
Jac
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