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What are trainers like?!
"We will have to start thinking about"…
Wing and a prayer stuff… with nothing ever planned in advance?
I took his vibe differently after Ascot – like it wasn’t the race that he wanted but again everyone else kept on – go for the Leger! It’s a must! He isn’t quick/good enough to land a big mile and 4!
We know what happened next!
P.s. Didn’t he also say that the King George could also come into the reckoning instead of the Leger?!!
Really Ruby?!
It looks a whole lot stronger to me than what people thought it might a while back…
also it makes the International look shabby – a race in which ‘Cirrus’ should have taken in!
Re: ‘Nath’ am I the only one who thought that it was everyone else except Gosden who wanted him to go the Leger route – maybe due to their AP vouchers?!!
I felt that he was always reluctant to go there…Something to do with having ‘MM’ already for it?
I doubt that ‘Nath’ was never going to either – as every horse that wins a big group1 over 1m 4f has aspirations to drop back to 1m 2f don’t they?!
Well connections do!
You’re on the wrong fillies lads –
Danedream has already won 2 Open age Group 1’s and was unlucky in running behind Testosterone at Saint-Cloud – would happily take those two against Galikova.Martin
Well done!
Hope you whacked it?!!
As Ballydoyle know only too well, there’s a certain fallacy in having the best horses peak in mid-June and then getting progressively worse for the rest of the season culminating in below par efforts in races like the Arc and the Classic. So You Think will be different. He’s winning races whilst not quite been fully tuned up. The day of the Arc / Cox Plate / Classic is the day SYT should run his best race.
Well now that he is "round" I’ll be interested to see how this plays out…
Arc de Triomphe: Nathaniel, depending on the terrain
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Workforce After last Tuesday, it was the turn of Nathaniel perform a gallop on a race track for the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe. The resident John Gosden has thus resulted in Newbury with Arctic Cosmos. The coach was satisfied with the work of his colt, winner of the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes and among the bookmakers’ favorite, adding that the participation of Nathaniel Award from the Arc de Triomphe will depend on the state of ground, preferring the horse tracks relaxed. "We’ll see how the weather changes next week," said John Gosden. Knowing that summer seems, according to forecasts, will point the tip of his nose just at the end of September, he’ll have to water the track at Longchamp…
Meander supplemented for the Arc
According to our latest information (the same info as the jockey booking for SYT – the other day!!)
It should be supplemented Meander Thursday to participate in the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe. After a lackluster back in the Prix Niel, September 11, Andre Fabre Edouard de Rothschild and let herself be tempted by the adventure of Sunday by paying 100,000 euros needed for the additional commitment."
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" if taken in conjunction with his other comments (about how well he now settles) – is sending out a warning – that he is now complete!
The real deal, a marvel of perfection… & "ready" to take on the world!Not long now…
Here’s hoping that we do see something special (from whomever is able to produce) as the Arc needs livening up, for various reasons… small field no ‘Pour Moi’ – though should ‘So You Think’ turn up we’ll have another sub plot of –
The Revenge Of Workforce
‘!!
What a race…
Seems funny that he was in doubt for the race…
SYT that is!
At least a month ago on ATR a viewer from OZ emailed Boyce and said that they were coming having booked tickets – to come and watch him win the Arc!
Seems that despite the distance – news – in some circles travels fast!
Ed Dunlop said a few times that Snow Fairy would be at her peak leading up to the race, and after losing to Midday both he and Frankie mentioned that she’d come on for the run.
That’s true Pres, but wouldn’t it be great if us punters could see beforehand that this big girl was bang on her right/ideal racing weight?
It reminded me of last year when she ran in Hong Kong – how big she was!
Compared to the two four year old gals in the field ‘Stace’ & ‘Regg’ she dwarfed them…
and to think that they were/had to concede weight!A four yr old ‘Vision’ was only 3 heavier than her the year before – when he won!
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" if taken in conjunction with his other comments (about how well he now settles) – is sending out a warning – that he is now complete!
The real deal, a marvel of perfection… & "ready" to take on the world!Not long now…
Heffernan on So You Think in the Arc
It’s official!
James Anthony Heffernan will be the jockey of So You Think Arc de Triomphe in 2011. It had led to success during his last two outings (Eclipse Stakes and Irish Champion Stakes). So You Think is one of five favorites of the event and depends on the training of Aidan O’Brien.Cheers Grimes I hope you enjoyed that!
Darren hope you was on the big price ew…One of these made me chuckle…
ST LEGER: BEATEN HORSE REACTION
Reaction from the beaten jockeys to the Ladbrokes St Leger:
Kieren Fallon (2nd Brown Panther: "They went very quick and the ground was on the quick side for my fellow. He has got a big heart and he stuck to it well. It was a very good St Leger this year and Brown Panther is a good horse."
Olivier Peslier (3rd Sea Moon): "When I asked him to go he took too long to pick up."
Joseph O’Brien (4th Seville): "He ran well."
Richard Hughes (5th Census): "He ran well but the ground was a bit quick for him."
Frankie Dettori (6th Blue Bunting): "It’s just one race too many after a long season."
Robert Havlin (7th Buthelezi): "He is a little bit of a monkey but he has a hell of a lot of ability. He set a nice pace and I’m glad for the team."
Silvestre de Sousa (8th Genius Beast): "It was a tough race and I didn’t have the class. He will be a better horse next year."
Richard Hills (9th Rumh): "I did my job." –
possibly Sea Moon at 10s, to add to the portfolio,
JJ
– I don’t know if you read this from the Leger thread? Or if you have seen the interview with Stoute on ATR where he talks down the prospects going there…
BAD MOON RISING FOR ARC SUPPORTERS
By The Marksman
Sea Moon, who is a general 10/1 shot with Sky Bet for the Arc, will follow the St Leger route as a red hot favourite to give Sir Michael Stoute only his second victory in the oldest Classic.
Although there has been no official announcement ruling out an Arc bid, Ryan Moore is aiming to be back in time from his arm injury sustained at Goodwood to partner Workforce at Longchamp.
What with ‘Pour Moi’ the bookies have probably already made a mint from all the non runners thus far – added with the likes of ‘Bheki’ & ‘Baraan’…
I feel that the market might be sque whiff with regards to value at the mo’…
I still feel this way
and as this quote suggests it’s probably best not to look to far left field – when you use this criteria to narrow down the field – taking in other stats etc… (this weekend may change my mind of course and I remain open minded! – Plenty on here seem to have multiple cover bets, so therefore might have to add to mine!)
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"To win an Arc… Those few pounds can make all the difference and they are the reason
, from a punting point of view, why
*Sam Walker said in World Class on the Post 5Sep 2011
Might sound basic that but I still see people asking where is that one or that one when they aren’t even entered for the trials…
For the people that might have missed this:
Baraan
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will not take part in this year’s Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe
after suffering a minor setback in training. The son of Dalakhani, had finished third in this year’s Prix du Jockey Club after winning the Gr.3 Prix La Force.
His stablemate
Behkabad
will also miss the Arc
after having suffered a knee injury in his first race this year, when finishing second in the Gr.2 Grand Prix de Chantilly. An unbeaten Group winner at two, Behkabad had been successful at the highest level in 2010 when he won the Gr.1 Grand Prix de Paris.
Georges Rimaud, manager of the Aga Khan Studs in France commented: "Baraan is still on the farm and will come back into training later this month. We are not expecting him to run again this year but he will stay in training at four. Behkabad has had a three-month break since fracturing a knee in the Grand Prix de Chantilly. We have to assess our options before making a decision about his future."
Updated on 05/09/2011.
CHAMPION OPTION FOR NATHANIEL
– From SportingLife
John Gosden’s Nathaniel could end his season in the QIPCO Champion Stakes at Ascot on Saturday October 15.
Unraced since his impressive victory in the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes at Ascot in July, Nathaniel’s next assignment is this year’s Arc on Sunday 2 October.
A trip to Ascot for the inaugural QIPCO British Champions Day, when Frankel will be in action in the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, could then be on the cards for the colt who is rated 128 by the British handicappers.
"He’s not having a race prior to the Arc to give us the option to go for the QIPCO Champion Stakes as well," explained Gosden on Wednesday.
"Thirteen days between races is very tight and we’ll have to assess how he is after Longchamp, but if you go into the Arc fresh, then you give yourself the chance to run in the Champion as well."
Already on course for the Champion Stakes are the Sir Henry Cecil-trained duo of Twice Over and Midday, first and second in last month’s Juddmonte International Stakes at York.
Twice Over is chasing a remarkable Champion Stakes hat-trick, having won the last two runnings at the race’s previous home, Newmarket.
Also targeting the Champion is the in-form and improving French-trained five-year-old, Cirrus Des Aigles.
Having given Goldikova a fright in the Prix D’Ispahan over nine furlongs at Longchamp in May, the Corine Barande-Barbe-trained gelding has demolished his rivals in two recent races at Deauville, winning those Group 2 and Group 3 contests by an aggregate of 18 lengths.
"All is going very well for Cirrus des Aigles," said Barande-Barbe.
"As usual after a race he has been walking in the forest at Chantilly and he’s now started cantering again. The horse seems so happy. He recovered quickly after the Grand Prix de Deauville as he didn’t have much to do.
"The plan now is to win another Prix Dollar (at Longchamp on 1 October) and then the Champion Stakes at Ascot.
"He goes on all ground but maybe soft is better as other horses don’t always act on it.
"A right handed track is perfect as is any distance from 2,000 (1m 2f) to 2,500 (1m 4 1/2f) metres. What we would like is a true pace, but he can make his own running if necessary.
"My only other runner in England has been at Ascot. In 1999, I saddled Perfect Vintage in the Queen Anne Stakes and he ran fifth to Cape Cross."
As Ballydoyle know only too well, there’s a certain fallacy in having the best horses peak in mid-June and then getting progressively worse for the rest of the season culminating in below par efforts in races like the Arc and the Classic. So You Think will be different. He’s winning races whilst not quite been fully tuned up. The day of the Arc / Cox Plate / Classic is the day SYT should run his best race.
Well now that he is "round" I’ll be interested to see how this plays out…
Here are some quotes/articles that seem to disgree with the general consensus of opinion at the end of this thread!Royal Ascot 2011: Rewilding victory makes Aidan O’Brien think again
By J A McGrath9:05PM BST 15 Jun 2011
Not even trainer Aidan O’Brien’s apology, claiming that he didn’t have So You Think fit enough for Wednesday’s epic running of the Prince Of Wales’s Stakes, can comfort legions of Australian punters, who believed defeat was out of the question – and bet accordingly.
Billed as the best to come from the southern hemisphere in three decades, So You Think was brave in defeat, but he failed to withstand the sustained and determined challenge launched by Frankie Dettori on the gutsy Godolphin runner Rewilding, who cut down the visitor in the dying strides to triumph by a neck.
This was the most gripping headline contest seen at Ascot since Grundy beat Bustino in the 1975 King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes, which is frequently dubbed ‘the race of the century.’ It had everything, even a heart-stopping moment when the hard-pulling So You Think had to be reined back sharply to avoid the heels of his pacemaker Jan Vermeer in Swinley Bottom.
But what proved crushing disappointment for So You Think’s enormous Australian and New Zealand following – as well as Coolmore/Ballydoyle stalwarts – became a magnificent triumph for arch rivals Godolphin and a personal one for Sheikh Mohammed, who had adopted a hands-on role in the training of Rewilding.
In post-race interviews, O’Brien shocked many when he admitted: “It [the defeat] was more my fault than anyone else’s that he got beaten and all I can say is sorry. I think I just didn’t have him fit enough. I probably didn’t get stuck into him enough at home,“I would expect plenty of improvement from him. He got tired and was just caught by Frankie in the last half furlong and was
“Because he won his first two races so easily, I didn’t want to change things at home. His work has always been incredibly good. He does a demolition job at home and I think that maybe he needed to have done a bit extra because he has such a capacity for work,” O’Brien added.Ryan Moore said So You Think had
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Plenty to think about after great Royal Ascot
BY SAM WALKER 20 Jun 2011
WORLD CLASS: an analysis of the international scene according to Racing Post Ratings
Rewilding (1st Prince Of Wales’s Stakes, RPR 130)
The new kid on the middle-distance scene. Don’t yet know where he fits in with Workforce and a race fit So You Think, but this was a solid career-best effort which ranks him as middle-distance leader for the season so far.
He might not have won if Frankie hadn’t hit him so many times,
Can’t rule out another big run in the King George, although it would be hard to be confident of him repeating this result in a rematch with So You Think. Apparently needs time between races.So You Think (2nd Prince Of Wales’s Stakes, RPR 129)
What a baptism to British racing. It was a true end-to-end gallop, he went for home 3f out, opened up a lead, but came up short in the closing stages.
This result doesn’t mean he is ‘worse than’ Rewilding and it doesn’t take away from everything he has achieved to date. He was clear of the remainder and Rewilding looks a smart colt in his own right, so this was not a bad run. But, even with the hope of more to come, it has to put a slight dent in expectations for the season. Maybe we’re looking at a 132er rather than a 136er.Perhaps expectations were too high for the New Zealand-bred trying to break into racing’s middle-distance heartland?
There are hundreds of collateral lines which show that Europe is the dominant force at turf races beyond 1m2f – including in Australia, where horses like Speed Gifted, All The Good and My Kingdom Of Fife have all won Group 1s having never even raced at that level in Europe.
Despite this defeat, he still looks capable of running to a figure in the 130s and he still looks the southern hemisphere’s best chance of gaining an unprecedented championship-level middle-distance success in Europe.
they will have to chase it.
