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  • #1811
    andyod
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    Surely the rule of thumb is—you pick the best available for group1 races? No?

    #62450
    guskennedy
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    I’m more interested in the horses. He must have a pretty clear idea what he’s going to run at Epsom and I think he should be sharing it with us instead of playing this ludicrous guessing game.

    #62451
    Artemis
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    Whoever the Coolmore team put on their horses is a vote of confidence in the jockey. They would not put a jockey up if they thought he might not be up to the job.<br>I believe they would let Fallon have his choice, but until he returns, I think the team are picking who rides particular horses. Kinane is probably prefered when available and Spencer may get the odd ride. Hefferman seems to ride most of the stable’s horses when top names are not available.

    #62452
    davidbrady
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    Well of the 19 still in at this stage, the RP have jockeys "booked" for 6 of them, which are:

    Authorized – L Dettori<br>Kid Mambo – Joe Fanning<br>Petara Bay – Dane O’Neill<br>Regime Dwyer – Martin Dwyer<br>Salford Mill – Ted Durcan<br>Strategic Prince – Eddie Ahern

    This leaves 13 others, 8 of which are APOB.

    The non-Coolmore horses are

    Aqualeem – R Hills?<br>Arabian Gulf – Seb Sanders?<br>Eastern Anthem – K McEvoy<br>Leander – R Hughes?<br>Lucarno – Jimmy Fortune

    Which leaves the 8 Coolomore horses and a number of jockey options. Based on last years Derby, where the stable saddled 4 runners, the pecking order would appear to be

    K Fallon<br>M Kinane<br>J Murtagh<br>J Heffernan

    So ignoring Fallon (obviously) and assuming APOB has only 6 runners at the most, I would reckon that the other 3 rides will go to:

    C Soumillion<br>C O’Donoghue<br>J Bowman

    #62453
    davidjohnson
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    Fortune is suspended whilst Soumillon has been claimed by the Aga to ride at home.

    #62455
    davidbrady
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    Whoops – forgot about Fortune’s supension!!

    D Holland has ridden for Ballydoyle before so he could get the call there

    Regarding Lucarno, others with no ride include:

    C Catlin (7% SR at EPS over last 5 yrs)<br>P Robinson (11%)<br>T Queally (23%)<br>S Drowne (7%)

    Can’t think of any others who might get a spare ride

    #62457
    Money on
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    Why don’t ballydoyle give Mc Donagh and Smullen a ride? the 5 that def will get 1 is Kinane, Heffernan, Murtagh, Bowman and O Donaghue. Possiblity of Gerald Mosse and Theirry Thuillez getting a ride as they did in the french guineas. Also Pesilier must have a shout with his wins on Cockney.

    (Edited by Money on at 10:20 pm on May 28, 2007)

    #62458
    davidbrady
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    It’s unlikely Ballydoyle will give a ride at Epsom to a French-based jockey. More likely to give it to a British based jockey. Soumillion is an exception for obvious reasons.

    #62460
    Money on
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    Dunno whay they wudnt give a french jock a ride when they are givin Bowman 1?

    #62462
    andyod
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    Dear Artemis<br>Lets make a distinction between a vote of confidence and facts. A vote is decided on the numbers. Facts are what happens during a race.Regardless of the outcome of an election do you believe that young Heffernan is a recognised group 1 jockey?<br>Young Hughes got abused on this forum for his riding recently. Do we apply the same standards to young Heffernan? My belief is that young Heffernan is not a group1 jockey yet.Whatever he rides will not win the Derby!

    #62464
    andyod
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    Remember Bill Williamson and Ballydoyle?<br>What if Franki is deemed not capable of giving his very best on Authorised due to the injuries he received in his latest fall?<br>I know he will swear that he is fully fit But can he get a doctor to do the same?And if he is not deemed fully fit will the trainer and owners stand behind him when a derby is at stake? Would you?

    #62465
    Artemis
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    andyod,

    Basically I agree. Hefferman is unproven as a top race jockey as yet. However, at some stage he is going to become one given a fair wind. He gets plenty of rides for the stable, so they obviously rate him quite highly.<br>As you say, he will not be on any of the stable’s main Derby hopes, so his mount will be a very unlikely winner.

    #62466
    colinf
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    I think its fair to assume at this stage that Heffernan will never become a top jockey. Whilst he is professional and dependable, those who have watched ride on a daily basis in Ireland know his limitations – he uses the whip poorly in the backhand position for one and unbalances horses. I would imagine the other leading home based jockeys will be amongst the riders …. Smullen, Berry, McDonogh etc

    #62467
    Artemis
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    colinf,

    If you and others who watch him ride every day see his limitations, then you may be right. I’m just surprised that such a prominent stable persevere with someone who is merely an adequate jockey and use him so regularly – maybe keeping the saddle warm for the return of a true champion.

    Anyway, thanks for that. I don’t see much Irish racing, probably to my shame.

    #62469
    Money on
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    Quote: from andyod on 2:31 am on May 29, 2007[br]Remember Bill Williamson and Ballydoyle?<br>What if Franki is deemed not capable of giving his very best on Authorised due to the injuries he received in his latest fall?<br>I know he will swear that he is fully fit But can he get a doctor to do the same?And if he is not deemed fully fit will the trainer and owners stand behind him when a derby is at stake? Would you?<br>

    I rem Last year the fri night before the Derby, Martin Dwyer was dumped off Sirens Gift 3 times and she had to be withdrawn and Martin was a big doubt for Sir Percy as he had a injured wrist i think. He ended up takin the ride and the rest is history

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