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In light of results this year is it possible that Ballydoyle might revert to their old policy of retaining the best in the racing scene as their No.1 jockey and dump the policy of "the best available jockey". Ryan Moore’s accident prevented him from riding for them in the St.Leger.
I don’t think Ryan would have been on Camelot anyway. They have not been using him as much this year, in UK or Ireland.
They need a stable jockey who can ride all the horses, down to 8-12, and with a bit more experience. They had a good couple of years with Murtagh, I hear he is free again
Following Australia’s defeat on Saturday I searched widely to find out what Joseph said and also what Aidan said.Seems like the irish press people were nowhere to be found when it was time to ask Aidan questions.What a bunch of cowards or imbeciles.After all Aidan said he was the best he ever trained.So the Grey Gatsby which was bred by Coolmore must be some horse to beat the best that Joseph had ever ridden.Now had Joseph perchance not ridden Australia would the result be different?
Agreed Andy it’s hard to understand why Aidan isn’t defending Australia’s defeat because exactly the same thing happened to his Dam Ouija Board in 2006 in the same race defeated a neck by Dylan Thomas and his Sire Galileo in 2001 beaten a neck by Fantastic Light.
Dylan Thomas went on to win the race again in 2002.It’s just a chink in his armour and I don’t think it would made any difference who was on board yesterday.
Both horses have had a long campaign this season Australia may have peaked and the The Grey Gatsby has definitely been underated and continues to improve.
Australia’s Dam Ouija Board went on to win the Breeders Cup Fillies & Mares Turf for the 2nd time at 5 years old, but his Sire Galileo flopped in his attempt to win the Breeders Cup as a 3yo and retired to stud.
Perhaps this could be where Australia may be heading sometime very soon.
Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...The best you can say about the Joseph ride is that he has underestimated his opponent in that he thought he could afford to circle the field and still win……nearly but not quite.Poor.
To be fair, O’Brien just rode him in the same manner as has all season (swooping wide), presumably under instruction.
If the jockeys on the first two had been swapped would Australia have won? Definitely in my view. But then one could say that with pretty much all horses Moore beats into second!
Mike
I would beg to differ on that one. He has been swooping wide just before turning for home in his previous runs, not the whole way through. He was running six-wide on the turns for goodness sake. He must have covered at least 50 metres more than The Great Gatsby. It’s an absolute credit to Australia that he still somehow managed to get beaten by only a head. Nothing Ryan Moore would have been able to do, as good as he is, had Joseph just placed Australia one-off from the rails next to TGG and behind Al Kazeem. He would have flown off with the win just like the Juddmonte. I must admit I’m always left flabbergasted by some of the Irish & British jockeys and punters alike seeming lack of awareness of the drastic drawbacks of racing wide and against the wind. Everywhere else I’ve been, one of the very first rules for jockeys is get cover and do not race wide (dirt racing and heavy going being the exceptions because of kickback). How on earth can anyone think that TGG would have still won had both horses received equivalent rides?
I heard on ATR that the Americans have soem way of working out how far a horse as travelled when ridden wide to a horse ridden on the rail.
It would be interesting to know how much further Australia had run compared withe The Grey GatsbyHow much does the defeat of Camelot and Australia cost Coolmore in super horse stud fees? Does it come out of Josephs pocket or does he have no responsibility for the consequences of his riding.Joseph rode his usual fear filled ride.He rode not to lose.Should ride to win.
He admitted that ‘it all went pear shaped’ and that was about it. Can’t say much more.
Ryan Moore hasn’t exactly had a good weekend either. Joseph is still a very young man so will make mistakes as did a young l piggott s cauthen and p eddery the three best jockeys I have seen. Too many think Ryan Moore doesn’t make mistakes but he does but they aren’t highlighted as much. Australia has a chance to set the record straight at ascot but I do worry the horse might have peaked. As for stud value it is only in the short term that they will have cost coolmore. Should Camelot and Australia produce great offspring then what they earn in the first 3 years at stud will be dwarfed by their later earnings. War front started off at 20000 dollars a stud and is now nearer ten times that per covering and glalileos fee is now close to 300,000 as opposed to a tenth that when he started. It could be the like of master craftsman become standard bearers for coolmore instead of Camelot or Australia as it’s toughness that tends to make the best sires and not necessarily the most talented.
To be quite honest I cannot recall Lester throwing away group races like Joseph does.Camelot, Magician, Tapestry and now the super horse Australia.Sure a lot of wonderful horses for a very young man.No? Perhaps too young for that king of responsibility.
It wasn’t a particularly inspired ride from O’Brien (under instruction or not) and an adept one from Moore; but whenever one of his ‘fancied’ mounts loses poor Joseph is going to be the object of blame throughout his career, whether justified or not
He would no doubt be flattered in the extreme to draw comparisons with a young Piggott and Cauthen, which is ludicrous as he’ll never match their finesse and dexterity however long his learning curve might be
He can, however, take some comfort in the fact that he’s yet to make as many balls-ups as over-rated Eddery, and in all likelihood never will
Joseph weighed in 1lb over, which will restock the ammo belts of his enemies.
I just watched the race for the first time. I’m not sure why Moore is getting so many plaudits. It’s not as if he was quietly nursed along by a jockey who knew they were going too fast. It looked to me like TGG couldn’t really go the pace at any point. He was under pressure a long way out, and Australia (who didn’t quite seem to race with the sparkle I’ve seen before), was very brave to battle on as he looked done for, stamina/energy-wise, a furlong out.
O’Brien snr said: “I’d imagine Australia’s next race will be at Ascot over ten furlongs or a mile. I’m not ruling him out of anything but I’d say the Arc is unlikely.”
And he added: “Everything that could go wrong on Saturday went wrong. Australia had a nice position but when the pace steadied in the middle of the race he found himself on the outside of Al Kazeem and couldn’t get inside him or past him. He was trapped wide.
“Was I shocked? I coudn’t believe it had happened until 4am today.”
O’Brien jnr said: “Australia ran a good race but things probably couldn’t have gone much worse for me, or gone better for the winner. I’d probably do things slightly differently if I had it back again, but we live and learn. It won’t happen again.”
He said – Listen, this is a very good horse. Listen he has loads of speed. Listen he is the best horse we’ve had at Ballydoyle. Listen the boys will decide where he goes next. Listen we have no problem dropping him back in trip.
Talking of dropping back in trip, who’s bright idea was it to drop Tapestry back to a mile?
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