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I believe that the result today should open up the topic for discussion again.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Different worlds & different experiences.
Oh well – we think and live on a different planet.
Why change it?! – how can you judge times?
Racing on T.V. needs a clear out – it’s stale – jobs for old pals.
My comment has nothing to do with race – just don’t think that he’s the best at his job.
I don’t find this a subject to get overly excited about either.
All you reckon that was great to see – for the sport…
As presenters go – like the rest he’s lame…
Re: ‘Riverside Theatre’ – The owner never really give it a chance on 4 this morning.
Also – on a preview on ATR Henderson kinda felt (um – arhh) that ‘Mad Max’ was no second string – yet he was 33/1!
Riverside 7-8’sLads only went 16/1 about the ‘Mad’ one or two days ago and he ran a lot better than the other!
For those who couldn’t see – sometimes – you gotta judge whether an owner wants a high profile day out – or reckons it’s horse actually stands a chance.
They should have done a cover of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oU_F0yS-Bo
A fav layers paradise!
Anyone – kind enough to lend me a tenner!Good luck one & all

The entries for the Dubai World Cup:
Purse: US$10,000,000: 1st: $6,000,000 2nd: $2,000,000 3rd: $1,000,000 4th: $500,000 5th: $300,000 6th: $200,000
Horse Country TrainerAllybar UAE bin Suroor S
Crowded House GB Meehan B
Furthest Land USA Maker M
Gio Ponti USA Clement C
Gitano Hernando GB Botti M
Gloria de Campeao France Bary P
Lizard’s Desire South Africa De Kock M
Mastery UAE bin Suroor S
Mr Brock South Africa De Kock M
Red Desire Japan Matsanuga M
Richard’s Kid USA Baffert B
Take the Points USA Pletcher T
Twice Over GB Cecil H
Vision d’Etat France Libaud EHope that you held fire on your fancy Grimes?
Let’s be fair – how many of us thought that It never looked good for him (Steinbeck) when the lads added SNA to their betting at the lowest price of 2’s?
Regardless of SNA being an April foal or whether Monjeu is a sire of milers!
We got crossed lines there – no race for him today – or before the world cup – if he goes…
It’s worth bearing in mind that the Japanese have had their biggest wins on World Cup Night on the turf – with the likes of ‘Stay Gold’, ‘Hearts Cry’ and ‘Admire Moon’.
So far they have failed to fire on the dirt in the big one itself (did win the mile)
‘Vermilion’ their old champ tried twice when it was on dirt – and was stuffed.‘Casino Drive’ – was another with a big rep before the Breeders’ Cup – he has form lines to ‘Espoir’ through ‘Success Brocken’.
P.P. just cut him to 10’s…
I would want double that and then some!
Of course that’s just my feeling on this – I could be well wrong!
Best of luck!
Grimes/everyone – here’s the quotes for ‘Espoir City’ : (post race)
“Last year, his start was poor because he couldn’t handle the patch of grass turf very well, so that’s something we’ve been working on all long as we got him ready for this race,” he said, referring to last year’s race in which Espoir City came in fourth.
“He came out of his stall beautifully today and now that the race is over, I can say in hindsight that he was perfect, but before I was worried really about the grass at the start. But he got through it without a hitch today, and things like that speak about how much better of a horse he has become since last year.”
This one is interesting re: his perfect trip – (note the furthest he’s run is 9f)
Trainer Akio Adachi says the mile, counterclockwise, is the ideal condition for his horse. Victory on Sunday will take Espoir City overseas, most likely to the 2,000-meter Dubai World Cup on March 27 at the brand new, state-of-the-art Meydan Racecourse.
The world Cup is over 10f
– to save any confusion!
Re: Zenyatta (she won last night) I feel that it’s wrong to doubt her.
Taking times from the pro-ride or any all weather is tricky due to what they do with the track.
This year (pre Breeders’ Cup) they were saying that they had put a lot of water on the surface to try and make it ride more like dirt (for the home team).Now I would have thought that would make it ride faster than last years?
All I can do is put up times for people compare:
Raven’s Pass 1m2f – Im 59.27s – 2008 Breeders’ Cup Classic
Zenyatta 1m2f – 2m 0.62s – 2009 Breeders’ Cup Classic
By looking at the sprint where they normally go a true pace in the States it looks like the track was slower in 09′.
Breeders’ Cup Sprint 2008 – 1m 7.08s
Breeders’ Cup Sprint 2009 – 1m 8.14sThe key horse from the classic
is ‘Colonel John’ – he ran in 08′ & 09′.
Raven’s beat him – 5l
Zenyatta by – 4 1/2lMaybe ‘Gio Ponti’ didn’t go through with his run
– he looked to be traveling all over Twice Over then didn’t put much between them after what looked like a race winning move 
‘Richard’s Kid’ – (formline to Gitano Hernando & again Colonel John) – didn’t seem to put in any sort of a run that day – (behind Zenyatta)
Here’s that race: (won by Gitano)
Zarkava – You are hardcore into this!
I’m sorry – I don’t hold the same faith – the stats show the earliest month to have only produced one more winner than the latest or cut off period – Jan (4) – Apr (3)
Feb produced (6)
Re: Poteen! – I thought that must have been a mistake – was it a three runner race or was lasix legal back then?!
Also – Pennekamp – 26th Mar the year before MOE.
Re: 6f form G1 form at two – I’m wary of runners from the Morny – last years looked strong on paper – I’ve already asked what people made of it…no replies!
p4jos1 – Good spot!
On dates your pick would seem to stand as much chance as the next…ie the current fav!
Add to the fact that as far as I’m aware – Montjeu hasn’t produced a 3yr old G1 winning miler!
Grimes – I’m not sure of that one.
Two reasons:
1) It’s a proper dirt horse and the world cup is run on an all weather surface this year.
(This Tapeta seems to suit turf horses better than dirt ones)2) It’s flop in the February Stakes of 09′ was put down to it not taking to a bit of turf they run over at the start of the race.
See here for yourself:
2009 race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8y1magEDK8
But just to confuse you – his trainer did say he took to the turf better this year – hence his victory!

2010 race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6tur2hWQzI

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