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That win was an absolute buzz. I had a decent bet on Binocular in my notebook, but wrote it off once they said he wasn’t going. I always thought he had a chance when they said he was going to run, but my enthusiasm dropped once i noticed it had no support. An absolute roller coaster, and i am thrilled. It fair cheered me up anyway.
As far as the layers go, i have sympathy to a certain degree. At the end of the day though, those layers had no sympathy for a potentially injured horse. If you are into punting in horses, you have to show resolve and respect, some people didn’t. For those who layed at astronomical prices, yes it’s unfair.
Oh what a coup by the lads.
JP kept that quiet didn’t he?
Waiting until it was 999/1 until backing it!
Stable lads must have been given hush money!Hang on, what stopped anyone else that knew from backing it?
Give me a break.
Unless it was a genuine situation it would never have got to 999/1.
Hope those who don’t want Henderson to say what he thinks, accept Mr Byrne should not have told the public about Solwhit’s problems.
They are not machines.
Value Is EverythingThe horse did go back to JP’s and I think as far as Henderson was concerned, if the horse wasn’t in the stable, he wasn’t in training and therefore couldn’t be considered a likely runner.
It may be that Binocular does have some sort of physical problem that still hasn’t been discovered but has righted itself without intervention. That would temper enthusiasm for backing him antepost, certainly, but I pointed out on Sunday (read back to my post on this thread) that the stable considered him to be 100% so no one in the stable was misleading anyone.
It’s not as though Henderson put people away so that they missed the price. He went off the biggest price he had ever been so having turned up at the course with a clean bill of health it was open to anyone to back him.
Word perfect, Tuffers.
Nicky Henderson kept the public informed about Binocular. That’s all the punter can ask for.
I’m sure he was certain that Binocular would not visit another course this season, but lady luck was obviously smiling down on him and once he realised that Benny could make Cheltenham, he was always going to run.
You can just imagine Nicky thinking to himself "I have a horse with a genuine chance of winning a Champion Hurdle, but I’ve already informed everyone he won’t run. I better tell the influential owner that we shouldn’t run him because the punters might get upset".
I don’t think so – the winner of the Champion Hurdle picks up a purse of £210,000!!
Well done, Binocular. The most impressive winner since Istabraq and he beat a good field doing it.
I couldn’t fancy him before the injury and I most certainly couldn’t after. I’m sure a lot of people would have backed it but for that pesky Henderson.
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Just let them prattle on guys. Anyone who has been around horses know that any one of a thousand problems can cause a trainer to believe a horse won’t be running anytime soon and the next thing you know it’s cleared up.
e.g Kauto Star drifted like a barge when he went lame at Ascot and PN went into panic mode because his foot swole up like a baloon. That could have gone either way but PN rightly told the public he may not make Cheltenham….as it turned out the thing burst the swelling went down and he went on to finsih second to denman.
Then you had the situation when Jonjo said there was nothing wrong with Exotic Dancer when asked. He never lied as there wasn’t. There had been the day before but he had improved drmaticaaly overnight and went swimming the day he was asked the question.
His decision not to tell the press the horse had pulled a muscle was based on waiting to see if it cleared up which it did and he got dogs abuse on here for it…The word liar springs to mind.
I know another trainer who withdrew a horse from a a very big race at the last minute saying he had gone lame on the Friday morning. The truth was he went lame on the Tuesday but he honestly thought it wasn’t a problem as on the Wednesday it was much better and looked like clearingup. He genuinely thought he would make it. He was wrong and lied but with no malice intended because had he told the truth he would have been crucified for making a genuine mistake.
When you have a horse like Binocular who looks like he’s the best thing since sliced bread and he runs like a mule there has to be something wrong.
Nicky was obviously bamboozled and thought thats it then, the next thing you know he perks up and strats flying again…….not the first otr last horse who will do that.
Ask anyone who has ridden at a yard or in a race or any trainer and the first thing they will tell you is hotses are brilliant at making a fool of youy.
I’m pretty sure Nicky while happy will feel alittle bit foolish as well but then he’s well used to it by now.
Well it’s Midnight here and I’m going out on the town to celebrate…….can’t believe it’s been two years since I first saw him win his first race at Ascot and said he was a future Champion Hurdle horse and I am so very chuffed he has done it.
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but he made it very clear that the horse would not run and proceeded to train him as normal
The above is an absolutely false statement. Shame on those that hit the "submit" button after typing false and entirely misleading comments. The horses preparation was definitely stopped and Binocular was returned to the owner’s farm for spelling/treatment.
I have very little respect for such postings.
As I have said, I have no issues with Henderson’s handling of the situation, I am just wondering will the British press and Media make as much noise as they did when New Approach won the Derby. I do remember Lydia Hislop being particularly scathing of the Irish trainer, I wonder will she follow suit with Henderson?
JohnJ
Can anyone remember incidents of ‘Oh no, it’s not going to run – oh yes it is!’, in relation to major races, occuring with such frequency before the advent of betting exchanges?
Maybe Nicky Henderson should of done a Charles Byrne and said less than 50/50.
Awesome peformance by Binocular, backed up by a brilliant runner up, and then you have the best stayer in the race coming 3rd who would give Big Bucks a serious race, that was as strong as a Champion Hurdle as you could see for me.
Also if Celstial Halo can clear a fence like he can clear a hurdle, I will be lumping on early for him for next year’s Arkle.
Imho, the whole bloody thing’s a farce, and it’s punters that have been done up the wrong ‘un.
NJH says the horse will miss the race, citing a muscle problem. AP then says that the horse missed no work at all. So did Binocular have a problem and got worked anyway, or was someone lying ?
Another dreadful renewal, but then we could see that a mile off.
As I have said, I have no issues with Henderson’s handling of the situation, I am just wondering will the British press and Media make as much noise as they did when New Approach won the Derby. I do remember Lydia Hislop being particularly scathing of the Irish trainer, I wonder will she follow suit with Henderson?
JohnJ
After the declarations for the Derby were announced on 23 May 2008 with New Approach among them, Bolger stated that the horse was an intended non-runner and had only been left in the race "in error".
If you can’t see the difference between the two cases then you’re not looking very hard.
Henderson has done nothing wrong, he’s been completely open about the horse and has done brilliantly (aided by a bit of luck)to get the horse back to his best on the day.
The idea that there’s been some sort of "coup", presumably masterminded by Henderson and McManus, is risible.
Good stuff tuffers. I had a doubt in my mind about the whole business but erred towards the view that it was just the way it was
You have clarified it nicely
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Here Clive and Tuffers….Anyone who has watched and listened to racing and even more so those who have been involved in even a small way like Tuffers know the score.
Anyone in racing will tell you Nicky Henderson is one of the most honest upright trainers on that planet.
FFS the man trains for the Queen of England so you twats have some respect and stop talking shyte or it’s off with your heads
As I have said, I have no issues with Henderson’s handling of the situation, I am just wondering will the British press and Media make as much noise as they did when New Approach won the Derby. I do remember Lydia Hislop being particularly scathing of the Irish trainer, I wonder will she follow suit with Henderson?
JohnJ
After the declarations for the Derby were announced on 23 May 2008 with New Approach among them, Bolger stated that the horse was an intended non-runner and had only been left in the race "in error".
If you can’t see the difference between the two cases then you’re not looking very hard.
Gus, I think you are missing the point, I don’t believe Bolger did anything wrong when he left New Approach in the Derby, I do believe it was an error. I also don’t believe that Nicky Henderson has done anything wrong. However I think the reaction by some of the racing media will be completey different.
JohnJ
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