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  • #19813
    darren83
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    Any thoughts here So You Think maybe turn up if he does he win for me best trip is a 1m2. and recent arc run will have him perfect for this race.

    #373618
    okjoe57okjoe57
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    I hope SYT runs and gives me the chance to recoup my Arc losses.

    #373625
    Presto
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    I think SYT wins cozily. Also on the Breeders’ Cup: I know the BC Classic is the showpiece but the surface is of course a question mark, I’d rather he run in the BC Turf because I think he’d be unbeatable there

    #373681
    JollypJollyp
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    10f or 12f i dont think it matters,what you will see though is the improvement in So You Think with a quicker back up, the more you race him the better he goes. I think not racing enough over there has been his achilles.

    #373683
    Anonymous
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    What about Midday and Twice Over ,they both have a viable chance , they seem to be overlooked in favour of SYT.

    #373684
    Anonymous
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    Wouldn’t be in the same Parish as SYT over 10f – 9/4 at the moment, will be odds-on if he runs.

    #373694
    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    I respect you as a poster more than most Reet but your way off the mark. So You Think shouldn’t even be fav and no way will he cope with Nathaniel.

    It doesn’t take a genius to work it out even if your eyes can’t see which horse is the better.

    Workforce is the form key.

    He is clearly best at 12 furlongs and Nathaniel beat him at that distance easier than So You think did at his beloved 10f.

    Nathaniel has bags of speed, travels well and he gets weight at a time of the year when it hurts most.

    Nathaniel should be favourite and will win with something in hand IMO.

    #373695
    JollypJollyp
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    I respect you as a poster more than most Reet but your way off the mark. So You Think shouldn’t even be fav and no way will he cope with Nathaniel.

    It doesn’t take a genius to work it out even if your eyes can’t see which horse is the better.

    Workforce is the form key.

    He is clearly best at 12 furlongs and Nathaniel beat him at that distance easier than So You think did at his beloved 10f.

    Nathaniel has bags of speed, travels well and he gets weight at a time of the year when it hurts most.

    Nathaniel should be favourite and will win with something in hand IMO.

    Spoken like a one eyed amatuer form student,go in to bookmaking with that outlook and you wont last a month :wink: You forgot to mention that Workforce threw away a lot of ground by hanging to the outside fence and that Rewilding broke down making it so much easier for Nathaniel :roll:

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    Anonymous
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    HGman
    Workforce was struck into in the KG and had 5 weeks box rest afterwards, which tells you the value of that form.
    Nathaniel was also JG’s Leger candidate up to that point, when he was clearly viewed as a stayer, rather than a 10f horse. Not to forget he’s only in the race by default (as the Arc ground was too fast for him) and may not even run.

    #373710
    HurdygurdymanHurdygurdyman
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    I believe it was Mark Chapman who started that rumour saying he was possibly struck into but he was never near another horse during the entire race. It was total BS

    Teddy Grimthorpe was interviewed later and never mentioned being struck into what he did say is he had picked up an injury but whatever it was had eased off in the morning. He also said SMS had said he was a bit sore behind followed by

    he hoped it wasn’t muscular

    In other words there was no cut or obvious bruising from being struck into because most likely he wasn’t.

    He may well have pulled a muscle but there is very little evidence to suggest it affected until the evening after the race.

    I thought Workforce ran a very good race in the King George. He was going really well turning for home but not any better than Nathaniel. Nathaniel see it out to the line so I doubt if the form is worthless.

    Workforce was drfiting a bit towards the centre of the course but it wasn’t until Nathaniel who had been racing up the far rail drifted markedly toward the centre of the course, when they eyeballed one another, that Workforce started going violently left.

    I’m not convinced that any injury he sustained affected him to such an extent it cost him the race or was the cause of him drifting. It looked more like he was shying away from Nathaniel when he came across/towards him.

    That aside you say he may not run and I appreciate that but no worries there’ enough So You Think fans out there to ensure Nathaniel starts at very good odds so no need to go rushing in.

    #373720
    Anonymous
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    No rumour, HGM.
    Frankie ran into the back of Workforce turning in, which was clear enough on the re-run. Hardly coincidence that both horses were injured on the leg where they met, either.
    Workforce had travelled like a dream, until that stage.

    #373730
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    Having watched the race a few times Workforce was never close enough to Rewilding for them to have struck into each other, there was some talk that he may have struck into himself but I’m far too sceptical.

    Its just was just spin to try and protect Workforce’s reputation and give him a shot at being a flat stallion before being consigned to NH duties. He has the head of a chaser so would have probably done well at Cheltenham or Aintree.

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    RubyisgodinthesaddleRubyisgodinthesaddle
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    This race badly needs So You Think!!!!!!

    #373805
    ZenjahZenjah
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    Really Ruby?!

    It looks a whole lot stronger to me than what people thought it might a while back… :D

    also it makes the International look shabby – a race in which ‘Cirrus’ should have taken in!

    Re: ‘Nath’ am I the only one who thought that it was everyone else except Gosden who wanted him to go the Leger route – maybe due to their AP vouchers?!!
    I felt that he was always reluctant to go there…

    Something to do with having ‘MM’ already for it?

    I doubt that ‘Nath’ was never going to either – as every horse that wins a big group1 over 1m 4f has aspirations to drop back to 1m 2f don’t they?! :idea:
    Well connections do! :wink:

    #373809
    Anonymous
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    Having watched the race a few times Workforce was never close enough to Rewilding for them to have struck into each other, there was some talk that he may have struck into himself but I’m far too sceptical.

    Its just was just spin to try and protect Workforce’s reputation and give him a shot at being a flat stallion before being consigned to NH duties. He has the head of a chaser so would have probably done well at Cheltenham or Aintree.

    It isn’t clear from the ATR replay, as the camera angle changes at the precise time of the incident, but was clear enough on the re-run on raceday, as a few on here spotted.
    Given he’s won an Arc and a Derby, and in the care of one of the largest owner/breeders in the world, your 2nd para is entirely risible.

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