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I don’t know why you’re shocked, Clive.
Over and over again, your posts give the impression that you believe you’re inherently superior to both the Scots and the Irish.
(and I’m guessing the Welsh, too)
Now, it seems that these sorts of remarks are still tolerated in the UK – and that includes comments about the English from some Scots – while similar remarks about black people, asians, jews etc would be called racism.
However, that doesn’t mean that your remarks aren’t racist… and, it also leaves this reader wondering what you’d be saying about black people, asians and/or jews if you thought this forum would tolerate it.
(the way this forum has turned a blind eye to some of your more offensive posts about other nationalities)
I don’t wish to be PC and banter along national lines is fine when it’s banter. However, your comments are relentless in one direction*. Which is why I think that, deep down, you really believe the sh!t you write.
Steve
*Even to the point that you don’t seem capable of writing anything generous about some leading Irish trainers.
Hamilton is a cracking looking track….and very well looked after. Its just a shame its bang slap in the middle of a right old shite hole, and full of bampots on buckie…..
It’s the "Longchamp of the north".
BTW, I’m not taking the piss, it’s really a nice course. I’d say it’s the nicest in Scotland.
(surrounded by a bit of a craphole, unfortunately, but that’s another matter)
Steve
His old colours still appear regularly on the racetrack in Arabian Races where he regularly has winners in the UK and abroad.
I haven’t been racing in France for a few years, but he used to have – and may still have – a lot of horses in his red & white colours over there.
(usually with Fabre, e.g. Doyen)
Steve
the winner, who will be acclaimed as Britain’s champion Flat racehorse
Surely that should be "England’s champion Flat racehorse" as only England is allowed to stage the races?
Anyway…
I think it’s a good idea in the sense that it’s better than nothing.
However, I’d have preferred them to get together with the Irish and French (and maybe the Germans and Italians)’ and created a series of "big weekend races" that would attract the best of Europe.
(by pooling the both the money and the horses from all these countries)
Steve
PS They’re right to leave out the Leger. It’s a terrible race for horses that are rarely up to G1 standard at any distance… and that’s not going to change any time in the forseeable future.
In it Sean Boyce offers the most dispassionate, balanced, analysis on the ride, using slo mo replays and measures from the rail, I have seen so far and it strongly supports the “hanging into the rail theory”
What does that mean "hanging into the rail"?
When the horse was first hit on his right, his head was angled to his left i.e. away from the rail.
So, even if his flank might have gone on to touch the rail, I still don’t see any indication that he would have crashed into the rail if he had been hit on the left.
More likely IMO is that he would have done what almost all horses do: stayed close to the rail, but not tried to go through it.
Finally, if Murtagh switched his whip to the right because he thought the horse "might do anything" (my words, not his) and didn’t want to crash through the rail if he whipped the horse on the left, then wasn’t the correct/safe course of action to stop whipping the horse altogether?
(as opposed to whipping it on the right, where it could have hung the other way and caused a collision?)
Steve
Is it only me, or does it look like Alessandro Volta was ready to steamroll through the far side rail when Murtagh gave his off flank the stick?
I just saw it again, I still don’t think the horse was veering towards the rails when Murtagh hit him on the right.
It’s very unusual for a horse to hit the rails.
I was at Lonchamp when Antonios Pius did it, but that was because he was unbalanced and staggering towards the rail in danger of falling over.
I din’t see any such thing on the replay of yesterday’s race and I’ve no doubt the horse would have just gone forwards if Murtagh had kept the whip in the left.
(for a start, the horse’s head was directed to his left… i.e. away from the rail)
It was an odd action by the jockey.
Steve
I was surprised that Murtagh switched his whip to his right.
I don’t think the horse was going to hit the rail and he could have run it straight up the line.
(though, I suspect it would have been caught)
However, I don’t think Murtagh had any idea where the 1st and 2nd were when this was going on.
(or, if he did know where the 2nd placed horse was, he didn’t realise it was going to make a run)
But, accident or not, his mistake won the race for his team and I don’t think that that can be acceptable. I’d like to see a ruling where horses are coupled in the stewards room and, if one is demoted, they all are.
Steve
I can see where seagull is coming from as the BBC are the pioneers of the P.C. brigade and plenty of people in Politics and TV have lost their jobs or got in hot water over similar remarks or incidences.
Honestly, I think the families would be far angrier when they turned on the news and saw Gordon Brown and his stupid fekking grin…
He’s the one keeping the troops there to fight a futile war…
Steve
James Sherwood should be removed from the B.B.C. following his comment that some lady’ looked like a war widow’ on the same day that 3 S.A.S. soldiers lost their lives in Afghanistan.
What’s that got to do with the programme?
Are you concerned that these soldiers families were watching the racing just after they heard their relatives had died?
… and that the mention of "war widow" ruined their enjoyment of the programme?
Behave yourself.
Steve
Apologies Steve – didn’t mean to come across that way.
There was no offence taken.
I was just admitting defeat and accepting your point that the t&c does give permission for the TV to mock the racegoers.
(Though, that’s like saying the law gives me permission to go up to a fat woman in the street and say “hey tubby, lay of the pies” – it might be legal, but is it really a decent way to behave?)
Steve
Actually they are indirectly I refer you to Ascot’s Conditions of Entry:-
All Attendees are reminded that many races and fixtures are given coverage on television, radio and in print and various other forms of media. By entering the Racecourse Attendees are accepting they may appear in such coverage. Accordingly, Attendees shall have no right to object to their inclusion in any such coverage. Each Attendee will give any additional consents or waivers required for the unrestricted lawful use of any coverage (if any) without request for payment or imposing any other conditions.
People know there is critical analysis of fashion so they can’t complain when they are criticised.
That’s me corrected, then!
However, I stand by my comment that it shows a lack of class and lowered broadcasting standards to slag off the public, rather than focusing on the people they could be making positive comments about.
Steve
Royal Ascot is first and foremost a society event these days, which is why the Beeb plays up the fashion
I understand why they do it, it’s the way they do it that I object to.
There are women who go to Royal Ascot who are “society nobodys” i.e. just ordinary folk like us.
It’s their big posh day out of the year and a chance for them to dress up in their finest.
I don’t see any problem with that. Dressing up might be boring to me, but it comes under the banner of “freedom of expression” and all the best to them.
And, I imagine many of them record the BBC coverage of the day’s racing to watch back and look for themselves in the crowd. A bit sad, maybe, but nothing unusual.
How are they going to feel when they’re watching the recording and, when they pop up on screen, there’s some ersehole saying they look like a dog’s dinner.
Whether they do or not – and I guess it’s subjective – it’s mean and unnecessary.
People going to racecourses aren’t giving permission to TV stations to ridicule their dress sense.
You don’t get coverage from Musselburgh where they’re saying things like
“Look at that guy at the paddock… what a fat ******… lay off the pies, pal!… and the guy next to him… hahaha… hey mate, 1994 is on the phone and it wants its jacket back…”
If the BBC wants to talk about clothes on a racing programme, they should show some class and focus on the ones they like and leave the rest in peace.
Steve
PS Of all the women I’ve seen at Ascot this week, the one that dressed the worst was the Queen. I bet Sherwood didn’t have anything bad to say about her clothes.
Sherwood is just a dancing monkey for the fag end of the artistocracy.
He lacks real class and this, coupled with his vulgar snottiness, means he can’t get into the circles he’d love to move in… but the wannabes and the 3rd raters will bring him out to perform his bitchy queen routine for a few days before they forget about him for another year.
And, I suspect that, deep down, he knows this… and also knows that, sometime soon his act is going to get real old, real fast and the chinless halfwits he’s been clinging to with a sweaty desperation will have lost all interest and moved onto another court jester…
But I could be wrong…
Steve
I’d like to see Henry v Zarkava.
Maybe they’ll both turn up to the Irish champion?
Steve
Isn’t this smack middle of Paris?
about 2.5 miles from Port Malliot
It’s in the Bois de Boulogne, which is the big park on the west of Paris (though the racecourse is technically in Paris).
If you’ve got Google Earth on your PC, just type in "Bois de Boulogne", that’ll take you to an overhead view of the Bois.
You’ll see 2 racecourses near the south end. The one to the west is Longchamp (marked). The one to the east (not marked) is Auteuil.
(and, for tennis fans, just south of Auteuil with a purple dot on it is Roland Garros)
Steve
PS If anyone is thinking of taking the tramway to Longchamp, you get off at Suresnes (marked on google earth), walk down the hill, cross the bridge, pass that little pond and you’re there.
PPS If you’re on google earth and looking at Longchamp, scroll to the west and you’ll also see Saint Cloud.
Is there anywhere in the world with 3 top class racecourses so close together?
