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When the Arabs had lots of good older horses they would always use a pacemaker. Kinane would ride the pacemaker. I think he won the King George on a pacemaker once.(2)Kieren Fallon was brought down by a French jockey so it can and is done at times.(3)I have seen Irish jockeys put their friends through the rails at Leopardstown in flat races.I only saw a jockey come off when the horse tried to jump the rail never going through them.(4) I have yet to see a Coolmore horse being disqualified in England and Ireland. They were disqualified in France and the US however.(5)Ted Walsh tells it like it is about the stewards in Ireland. The small guy is kept in his place.
When the Arabs had lots of good older horses they would always use a pacemaker. Kinane would ride the pacemaker. I think he won the King George on a pacemaker once.
Ah yes ~ that pacemaker Belmez!
Edit: should qualify that ~ Belmez won the King George as Sheikh Mohammed’s third string, beating French Derby winner Old Vic by a neck with the favourite In The Wings who had won the previous year’s French Derby (as well as that season’s Coronation Cup in great style) unplaced in the Sheikh’s first colours. This seemed to annoy some people despite the fact that Belmez had beaten the Derby winner in his trial and finished a close third in the Irish Derby. He then went on to stuff the St Leger winner in the Voltigeur. Just because you carry the third colours, doesn’t make you a pacemaker!
thanks Rory for filling in the blanks.Since I don’t remember did Kinane win from the front or did he come from off the pace? Just a trivia question really.But to the point Aidan’s number one seems to be whichever Murtagh picks. In the past Aidan told Kinane which horse to ride making that the number one .Rather confusing. I think number one is now established by the race and after the race not before the race as in the past.Darker posturing suggests this avoids anyone getting to the possible winner!
I think the Curtain Call are correct to appeal their placing behind Alexander Volta.
I am also surprised that Johnny Murtagh didn’t pick up a suspension for not making greater effort to straighten up his horse. He couldn’t do much about the interference with Curtain Call, or the first bout of interference with Tartan Bearer, but he should have been able to avoid the second and third bouts. He would have had to lose momentum and sacrifice his chance of winning in order to do it, in one of the biggest races of the season, but the rules should require it.
That said, I think any suggestion that his horse’s trajectory across the course was a deliberate manoeuvre is utterly paranoid.
Reviewing the race a few times – I mentioned earlier in this thread how Frozen Fire’s finishing speed in the race was quite exceptional.
Now I’m backpedalling, wondering if his finish was deceiving because Curtain Call and Tartan Bearer were essentially shut down with a furlong remaining … ?
The closing sectional was slower than the (admittedly steadily-run) handicap at the trip on the same card.
I take the view that there was a good pace, and that Frozen Fire was showing stamina rather than speed at the end.
Indeed, I suspect he would be vulnerable at 1½m if he did not get similar circumstances.
"……………if he did not get similar circumstances…………."
………….like carnage in front, or should that be to the side, of him?
Colin
Presumably Prufrock means a strong pace. Notable that the first 2 were held up right at the back of the field.
Curtain call won the Beresford stakes here last year and Fran Berry is back on….and with the rain should suit him i fancy him for a palce this time…..what has Jamie boy done??
I ws going to back NA but once rulled out i had a small e/w bet on CC after looking at race again, i think that Tartan Bearer would prob have just come out in front but i think i would have got placed, i have read some of the posts on here and a lot of them are way of the mark espes the one saying Murtagh did it delib!!!
In it Sean Boyce offers the most dispassionate, balanced, analysis on the ride, using slo mo replays and measures from the rail, I have seen so far and it strongly supports the “hanging into the rail theory”
What does that mean "hanging into the rail"?
When the horse was first hit on his right, his head was angled to his left i.e. away from the rail.
So, even if his flank might have gone on to touch the rail, I still don’t see any indication that he would have crashed into the rail if he had been hit on the left.
More likely IMO is that he would have done what almost all horses do: stayed close to the rail, but not tried to go through it.
Finally, if Murtagh switched his whip to the right because he thought the horse "might do anything" (my words, not his) and didn’t want to crash through the rail if he whipped the horse on the left, then wasn’t the correct/safe course of action to stop whipping the horse altogether?
(as opposed to whipping it on the right, where it could have hung the other way and caused a collision?)
Steve
Bulwark, please desist from using "done" as the past tense of "do". The correct version is "did"
For example "what Murtagh did was wrong" instead of
"what Murtagh done was wrong"Sorry, but it’s doing my head in, much as I enjoy your posts!
Fair one, now that I think think about it, I dont think I ever really use the word "did", I think the word "done" has over-powered the word "did" in my vocubulary, to the extent that I cant remember what the fundemental difference difference between the two words is anymore.. may have to look into this further…
Most people have difficulty with some words Bulwark. Whether it be Weather or to too.
Suppose they’re a little annoying but as long as their words are understandable, can’t see there is much of a problem.(note the there, their and they’res).
No knowing what mistakes I make (note the k).
Anyone (or should that be anybody?) tell me?Being an ‘ampshire / wiltshire lad I sometimes resort to talkin’ ‘ow I speak, (less the st st st st stuttering).
My use of brackets might be annoying some (then again, I might be just annoying).
Mark
Value Is Everything"………(then again, I might be just annoying). Wink …………"
………only when you’re banging on about that feckin’ table!!!
Colin
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