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Winner wasn’t involved and nothing would have changed the result as far as he was concerned. Except New Approach would have probably stuffed the lot of them
Ran on really well without looking anything special, with the others all going nowhere.
Pretty ordinary looking race the end of the day
Team O’Brien’s cynical tactics win the day again !
Murtagh (imo) deliberately veered left on Allesandro Volta solely in an effort to impede and stifle the threat of Curtain Call – and more especially, Tartan Bearer. As Luca Cumani later commented – that move contributed to his horse losing all momemtum – as it did Tartan Bearer, who was also carried half way across the track.
As a consequence, Tartan Bearer was promoted to third.
All may be fair in love and war, but it’s not true sport as we know it – is it Aiden ? But what do you and team Coolmore care, eh ? Not a jot, I should imagine.
Yes, I did back the favourite.
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Murtagh (imo) deliberately veered left on Allesandro Volta solely in an effort to impede and stifle the threat of Curtain Call – and more especially, Tartan Bearer.
Murtagh (imo) deliberately veered left on Allesandro Volta solely in an effort to impede and stifle the threat of Curtain Call – and more especially, Tartan Bearer.
What is your opinion then, laughing boy ?
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Apologies, but the accusation that Murtagh did that on purpose is as unfounded as it is predictable.
The only horse that was helped by Allesandro Volta’s antics was Casual Conquest, who wasn’t good enough to take full advantage.
The winner, whilst not losing any momentum like Curtain Call and Tartan Bearer did, was forced to go widest of all. Was that part of the plan too?
And that’s without even getting into the idea that Murtagh would put the lives of his fellow jockeys in danger by doing something like that on purpose.
I’m in full agreement with laughing boy
, as were the stewards who didn’t ban Murtagh for the ride.Tartan Bearer was disappointing considering his Derby form. Yes he was impeded and lost momentum but nevertheless I expected better than that.
It looked a messy race and its hard not to think of New Approach stuffing that lot out of sight.
Apologies, but the accusation that Murtagh did that on purpose is as unfounded as it is predictable.
The only horse that was helped by Allesandro Volta’s antics was Casual Conquest, who wasn’t good enough to take full advantage.
The winner, whilst not losing any momentum like Curtain Call and Tartan Bearer did, was forced to go widest of all. Was that part of the plan too?
I think Murtagh realised that that his horse wasn’t gong to play a part in the finish and that he took upon himself to negate the chances of the two English based runners. He saw that Tartan Bearer ( the biggest threat ) had loomed up and was beginning to hit full throttle.
Frozen Fire was the beneficiary of this action, and as a consequence he was allowed a free, unimpeded run. Look at the race again in full, and analyse the riding and tactics of team O’Brien. A stitch up, if ever I saw one. That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it.
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Didn’t personally see what Murtagh could have done?
The horse was coming off the rail so he gave it a smack with the left hand, it then went towards the rail and looked as though it was going to run straight through it so he quickly switched hands and gave it a crack with the right which is when it started veering badly across the others, making it near on impossible for him to switch the whip again and stop it veering that way.
The horse which I thought was the unluckiest and affected most was Curtain Call. The winner still came from behind them all anyway and would have won no matter what IMO. Possibly Curtain Call could have finished 2nd without the trouble, but I don’t think either Tatrtan Bearer or Casual Conquest were good enough on the day.
Don’t think it was deliberate, but it is possible.
The horse has wandered before in the Lingfield Derby Trial, so Murtagh should have known the horse could or even would wander.
If connections are allowed to keep races like this, what is to stop them doing it deliberately in the future, may be with a pacemaker? With other runners from the same ownership coming up the rail or very wide.
With a horse that wanders there is no knowing whether a jockey is doing it deliberately or not. All he has to do is hit it with the whip in the correct spot, and the horse does the rest.
Therefore there are grounds to act on such occasions to ensure this does not happen more often.
May be the winner should be disqualified?
I did not have a bet in the race.
Mark
Value Is EverythingThis forum is becoming like a sopa opera. "H" you got Denman right I give you that but mate you are way off the mark here.
Murtaugh never had a clue where his stable companions were and I dopoubt if he cared a jot. He was riding like a man possessed and no way was that deliberate.
You been drowning your sorrows perhaps?
May be the winner should be disqualified?
As a backer of the Casual Conquest/Tartan Bearer forecast I wholeheartedly agree.
I wonder,
Do winning connections ever compensate connections of intefered horses who would have been placed without that inteferance?
As a gesture, I think this should be done.
Mark
Value Is EverythingMay be the winner should be disqualified?
Ginger
Are your smilies not working? Is this your considered opinion?
No wonder there are people in racing who sneer at the opinions of punters.
This forum is becoming like a sopa opera. "H" you got Denman right I give you that but mate you are way off the mark here.
Murtaugh never had a clue where his stable companions were and I dopoubt if he cared a jot. He was riding like a man possessed and no way was that deliberate.
You been drowning your sorrows perhaps?
A soap opera ? Who are you ? Albert Tatlock ?
I’m actually up for the day ( betting wise, ie.
) but the beauty of horse racing is that we can all offer our differing opinions. I did not have a large wager on Tartan Bearer (quite modest, in fact ) but that does not alter my opinion in any way. We sometimes see things differently – ala Denman v Kauto, and, as is the way of things, we sometimes get it right and sometimes we get it wrong. I just happen to think I am right this time … but that’s me. No harm done … I think. Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
) but the beauty of horse racing is that we can all offer our differing opinions. I did not have a large wager on Tartan Bearer (quite modest, in fact ) but that does not alter my opinion in any way. We sometimes see things differently – ala Denman v Kauto, and, as is the way of things, we sometimes get it right and sometimes we get it wrong. I just happen to think I am right this time … but that’s me. - You must be logged in to reply to this topic.