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  • #170364
    Fist of Fury 2k8
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    Not often I get weighed in on the flat but I would kick myself for a week if I didn’t grab all the 10/11 I could get about New Approach.

    Racings a funny old game and it is always much easier on paper than it is when reality sets in.

    I personally don’t think there is a colt around who could beat him except for New Approach himself.

    If he settles he wins as far as I am concerned……If he doesn’t settle and takes too much out of himslef in the early stages then he could easily be beaten.

    It has to be remembered pre-Derby he was being trained somewhat differently as his tragets were 1 mile races. They had only a short time to try and teach him to settle so they could drop him in on the day………with that bit more time under his belt hopefully he won’t repeat the antics he displayed at Epsom (I am still amazed he had enough left in the tank to win having pulled so hard)……….That’s the chances you take in racing when punting and a chance I decided is worth the gamble.

    Roll on Sunday :wink: .

    #170365
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    If he doesn’t settle and takes too much out of himslef in the early stages then he could easily be beaten.

    Or alternatively, as he proved at epsom, he could still win… :wink:

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    Jim Bolger has said that New Approach might not run on sunday.

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #170403
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    oh well, that must be true then, take that one to the bank :roll:

    #170407
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    Bit of a contrast between Mr Bolger’s previous form and his prompt revelation of a problem tonight…could he be learning?

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    Bit of a contrast between Mr Bolger’s previous form and his prompt revelation of a problem tonight…could he be learning?

    I think possibly so….I imagine if this was only a couple of months ago, he would have just went to bed and let it develop.

    SHL

    #170452
    Colin Little
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    John Murtagh has gone for alasandra Volta!!!!

    That wouldn’t worry me too much. J.Murtagh chose the wrong one at Epsom. Last year K.Fallon chose the wrong one in this race. I’m sure Murtagh had the choice, but the trainer seems quite willing to put C.O’Donoghue on some decent horses this year.

    I’m more concerned about Washington Irving’s lack of gears. I was just thinking that with a clear run, he may be able to build a fair bit of momentum over the last few furlongs, which is imo what he needs. Maybe he’ll run into a place, maybe he’s still improving, maybe not!

    #170458
    doyley
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    Hello,

    CURTAIN CALL for me.

    Well fancied for Epsom Derby, eased down, has a seasoned Irish jockey aboard. It will do for me. 8)

    regards,

    doyley

    #170461
    seabird
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    What does an unseasoned Irish jockey taste like, Doyley? :wink:

    Colin

    #170535
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    Consider this.

    Bashkirov freewheels to a 3-4 length margin on Hindu Kush, who furthermore adds another 4-6 lengths back to the peloton.

    Best option to neutralise New Approach’s primary strength of outstanding toe and to a lesser extent – cruising speed.

    Would certainly play into the hands of Washington Irving and/or Alessandro Volta but on the flipside, both those two were ultimately outclassed by Tartan Bearer, whom would most likely thrive on the aforementioned Coolmore team tactic, and hence no point to the tactic being played out if the goal of victory is closer to failure than success.

    Or – would Coolmore want to ruin New Approach for the sake of holding their superiority over Darley? :roll:

    #170539
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    I don’t really follow you Mr D: Are you saying they may ignore the pacemakers and produce a false pace? I don’t think Kevin Manning will have any hesitation in being fairly handy if there’s no pace- after all we now know he stays 12f, which was in doubt until Epsom. I’d say the others’ best chance is to try and leave him isolated without cover in the hope that he pulls again- but with the benefit of another 3 weeks distance training that is surely less likely tomorrow. The biggest doubts are surely the injury and the fatigue factor, not the run of the race.

    #170542
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    I’m saying that Coolmore team tactics set a lightning tempo and run the sprint out of New Approach – which won him the Vodafone Derby and clearly is the key to his success tomorrow.

    #170545
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    I don’t think a fast pace will be a problem. In fairness if you asked Bolger and Manning I reckon they’d prefer a decent gallop to get him settled. A horse that finishes like he did after pulling so hard doesn’t have many stamina questions to answer, IMHO- but injury and a few quick races do worry me.

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    I find it intriguing that J Murtagh misses the relatively easier pickings of riding Soldier of Fortune to victory at St Cloud to stay at home and ride the apparently unfancied Allesandro Volta in this.
    Didn’t handle Lingfield at all well in a front running role, and consequently wasn’t given the ride you’d expect for a strong galloping horse at Epsom. Has an army of pacemakers to ensure a proper test today and, at double figure odds, well worth an each way play, whether the favourite runs or not.

    #170661
    stevedvg
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    New Approach doesn’t run according to the RP website.

    #170750
    Bulwark
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    So what did everyone make of the irish derby?

    Didnt get to see the race.

    What was the stweards inquiry all about, any hard luck stories?

    #170757
    bluechariot
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    boring race best horse won

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