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Delegator travelled as well in the Guineas as he did in the Craven and, from a time perspective at least, stepped up considerably on that form. It’s fair to assume then that a) the race was as a true test, b) Delegator didn’t fail to stay, c) Sea The Stars had the pace to cope with the runner-up, and d) Sea The Stars had the stamina to assert his authority in the closing stages.
Given his performance at Newmarket, and the fact that he’s related to smart middle-distance animals, why won’t he stay at Epsom? Decent ground should allow him to travel in behind the pace, however strong it may be, and quicken in to contention early enough for his stamina to come to the fore.
The more I look at it, the better Sea The Stars looks.
I agree, only soft ground would prevent him having a go at winning it, he is bred to stay imo but just had the class to win, if your as good as Sea The Stars, you have to conisder he has both speed and stamina, Zarkava had both, and there is no reason to doubt this colt has also.
Also I’d like to say he has much of a chance on pedigree to win it as Gan Amhras imo.
The whole market is drawn up as if Amor Propre wont lose. Everything else is double figures.
Thats slightly crazy if you ask me….
Well to be honest he crushed his field last time out, he would struggle more on softer as he is not built like a sprinter and his speed gets blunted, but he still puts in a game performance on it, although I’d doubt connections would run him on soft now, but if it is fast ground he will win.
In his last run I could not believe there was no confidence in the market, 7/1 was a great price for a horse which smashed two course records beforehand.
Does anyone know whether Tamauyz was retired to stud? I dont remember reading it anywhere
Yes he was.
If he goes off the boil again Andy we might see him popping over a few yet.
Can’t really see that tbh, they even sent Papal Bull to stud.
See Racing Post said there would be a douby on Fame And Glory if it was ran on fast ground, but I think he’d improve even more, every race he is been in the ground has got better for him, and on Good we finally seen his turn of foot, on GD-FM I’d think he’d imrpve even more, but also it brings other contenders in.
Youmzain is the stand out horse at present, although Ask will probably come on nicely for the run even more, and didn’t disgrace himself in The Arc but he would have something to find obviously.
Look Here would love to go back to Epsom and win again but I think Youmzain would be too tough.
The trip was always going to be a concern for Curtain Call, I never really thought why they ran him here, they should have waited for next Sunday at The Curragh.
I backed Tazeez, massive disappointment, but I guess he needs better ground.
I like Borderlessscot but race is way too far away to be guessing at what’s going to run.
11 days isnt that long Fist
TAX FREE is 16/1 for this on Betfair, Xmas will come early if he runs!
He’d want it firmer than it looks and even if he does get his fast ground he hasn’t a chance against Amour Propre.
With the weather forecast, I guess they would pull Amour Propre though.
Looks like Leocorno will be racing next Thursday evening at Sandown with Frankie Dettori taking the ride, she is 50/50 for The Oaks, and she has probably recovered from her injuries whether she has recovered enough for an Oaks tilt, only this race will go to show how race fit she is.
Paco Boy is certianly a good horse, it was a shame Virtual turned him over here, as no one would have had Virtual as a G1 horse last year, but if you put him in with genuine G1 milers, he is going to get easy beat i’e Head’s filly, she’d make mincemeat out of him imo.
Obviously Paco Boy has beaten Virtual over a mile on Good so if Ascot comes up firm I’d see him turning the tables.
I backed Twice Over, he had an excuse with his injury before hand, I think the changes last year in his distances probably hurt him, he wasn’t in the same league as New Approach, Tartan Bearer and Frozen Fire over their distances and it was fruitless pursing the big middle distance prizes, so a mile campaign is what I’d like to see, but if he fails if going this route it would be a shame for a horse that promised so much at one point. To me he is looking exposed though and he is one you can’t really trust.
This years King George winner will again find the trip on the short side,
but he has a plan to follow before we get to Ascot!Really? Conduit is by far the better stayer, and SMS will certianly send Tartan Bearer where speed is more an issue, hence why SMS says he will go to the Eclipse after this, he could win a King George but they’d fancy Conduit at the 1m4f than Tartan Bearer.
That saying I’d say these are Stoute’s best horses in the yard.
The Derrinstown was the first time I actually seen Fame and Glory quicken off in a flash, he just showed everyone he has another skill in his arsenal, if the ground comes soft he has the abilty to gallop his opposition into the ground, he is also a tough horse as well as a flashy one and he seems to have a set of gears and travels really well on the bridle.
Fame And Glory has yet to struggle once in his races and he has squared of against some classy opposition so it’s going to take some horse, Sea The Stars obviously has the class to give him a go and beat him on class alone.
Fame And Glory
The only Montjeu from Ballydoyle with this you would think they would not mess him about,and by some margin the best trialist of not just Ballydoyle but every Derby horse out there, gone the route of every O’Brien Derby winner. Think Sea The Stars is the only danger to him and STS can win imo.
Rip Van Winkle
Going straight to the Derby , there perserverence with him shows they think a lot, and you would think there was massive progression in there, he looks to have the ability and if he can stay his speed can give him a chance of winningg.
Black Bear Island
Already talk he is going back to France to compete in the Classic over here but he deserves his place at Epsom, he was going to go for the Italian Derby at one point but he must have showed enough at home to be given his Dante chance, even with being brother to High Chaparral I still think he is behind Fame and Glory ability wise.
Freemantle
A good run considering it was his forst race in Group company and hasn’t raced in a long time, he maybe considered a better prospect than BBI, it was a brave effort but only behind him cause he failed to win, if he went to Epsom he would be value at 14’s.
Age Of Aquarius
He looked to be beat at Lingfield but he showed guts to battle back, but the form of that race is not working out already with High Heeled’s comprehensive loss, I can’t see him winning myself, would take a ton of progression from that trial to do so.
Really?
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Fwiw, there’s been a lot of rain in the area this evening, and with more forecast, I’d bet on there being soft in it somewhere for the last day.Kinane said it was perfect racing ground while Paul Hanagan thought the ground had NOT changed at all from the last day and was running the same, although John Gosden said it defintely had eased.
The clerk said it was still gd-fm in some places after racing had finished, the ground at Leopardstown didn’t have gd-fm anywhere in the description.
One point to note about Sea The Stars…
Prior to him winning/even being entered in the Guineas a lot of people were talking about him as a solid Derby contender.
So what’s all the hoo-har about how he ‘wont stay’ now?
It’s always the way, people look for holes so they can try to get value although when it comes to the Derby the market is usually spot on, like last year the top 3 in the betting came home in the 1-2-3 and , if Tefilio never missed the Derby, they’dd have probably had the 1-2-3 in that Derby as well.
And this year the top two in the betting look far the strongest candidates imo.
Personally I think Sea The Stars has the class to go on and win The Derby he is a special colt, but I’d be siding with Fame And Glory at the minute.
Really?
————————————————————————-The Ground today was confirmed as Good (Good to Firm In Places)
Leopardstown was confirmed as Good but it was probably riding quicker than it was.
These records bug the hell out of me. It’s been a million years since a 5 year old won the CH, no 5 year old has ever won the QMCC.
did masterminded not win the QMCC aswell numnuts?
Thats what he was getting at I think
A stat should be used as a guide not a guarantee!
I was saying Fist was bringing up the point records are there to be broken, although Fame And Glory’s form you cant really knock I think.
