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they IMO tried to set up their own racing industry,creating another world of racing in the hope they would take over from Europe and America as the fore-bearer of horse racing.
vast amounts of prize money and the best facilities anyone could offer is available and many take up the offer of running their horses at Dubai but it is just for the prize money, a Derby or Breeders winner will always rank above any Dubai cup in history and nostalgia.
You can buy many things but not history.Very good point and I totally agree I’ve posted before about Godolphin’s egotistical Dubai World Cup meeting, created for their own interests and to change the face of racing.
Like most things Godolphin its had a modicum of success but in reality it doesnt rank anywhere amongst most racing fans in the street, no one cares about racinbg in Dubai. Yes there will be some hardcore followers some of whom post on this forum but its never going to take off and capture the publics imagination whatevr they try and do. I pay no attention to it whatsoever.
Its like Coolmore creating a World Cup meeting it just isn’t right.
No one is bigger than the sport and owners whoever they are shouldn’t be trying to run it in any way shape or form though how you stop Sheikh Mohammed in Dubai I really don’t know.
Its not an excuse Ginge its just something I don’t like I don’t think its fair and I don’t think its right.
You don’t see Ballydoyle doing it the same way Godolphin do. Maybe they should concentrate on developing their own horses instead of stealing and usually wrecking everyone elses. If I were a trainer I’d be furious if they did it to me.
French jump racing is hardly the same as British flat racing in scale or in operation is it?
Ginge Nicholls and Smith didn’t take away horses that were in training in Britain and had bright futures ahead for their owners and trainers. Godolphin do exactly that. Nicholls and Smith pick up unknowns (and thats what they are to most of us over here) from France. There is a huge difference between the two IMO.
When Henrietta Knight (for example) runs a horse in a Novice hurdle and it wins by 25 lengths Nicholls and Smith don’t go and snatch it do they?
The anti Arab thing – I ain’t even going there.
They might be unknown to you Flash,
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Kauto Star had won the Group 3 Prix de Longchamp in May 04 on his final start in France.
Master Minded was unbeaten in his completed starts as a four year old before starting odds on in the Group 1 Prix Ferdinand Dufaure.
Hardly unknowns Flash.
So it is o.k. to take excellant prospects away from foreigners but not poor British trainers?
Ginge
They are total unknowns in terms of British racing. I think the situations are completely different. Perhaps its just me?
Ginge Nicholls and Smith didn’t take away horses that were in training in Britain and had bright futures ahead for their owners and trainers. Godolphin do exactly that. Nicholls and Smith pick up unknowns (and thats what they are to most of us over here) from France. There is a huge difference between the two IMO.
When Henrietta Knight (for example) runs a horse in a Novice hurdle and it wins by 25 lengths Nicholls and Smith don’t go and snatch it do they?
The anti Arab thing – I ain’t even going there.
Deep Impact was the new Pegasus as well. Loads and loads of positives were highlighted on this very forum – he failed and he was a genuine turf horse.
It isn’t just a different ball game it is very, very different. Curlin will not win the Arc take it from me here and now.
Go on copy and paste it into word then post my comment back up after the race is run.
Andrew the Conservatives are difting more towards the left by the year at the moment which I find worrying.
They aren’t far left by any means but they are no longer right of central IMO.
Another case of a party evolving.
Personally I welcome the fact that the Godolphin operation is poor and it IS when you look at the resources they have / have had.
Set up permanant base in Newmarket, stop buying off other people (seemingly) every decent prospect they can, then I’ll get off their back.
Alternatively go off to the states and do what they like over there. I hear the prize money is good Sheikh Mo and there’s plenty of sand for the horses to run on. Am I tempting you?
I think Flash hates any foreigners with money.
Where is the consistancy in your arguement Flash? Without consistancy it just sounds like an anti-arab stance.
Nicholls and Clive Smith have bought extremely promising horses from France. Kauto Star and Master Minded. Was that wrong? Using your arguement those horses should have stayed in France. No doubt some of our freinds over the channel feel the same way about PN and CS, as you do about Sheikh Mo.
Do you want a monopoly for Coolmore over here if the arabs go elsewhere?
Do you want a poorer quality of racing? With all the well bred animals of Sheikh Mo and co going elsewhere it will inevitably lead to a loss in quality.
Think things through mate.
Ginge
How is it an anti arab stance? You will have me down as a white supremacist next.
Is Prince Khalid foreign? Is Sheikh Hamdan? Is Sheikh Ahmed? Do I have anything against any of them?
Well actually yes I was critical of Sheikh Hamdan for not aiming Nashwan and Salsabil at their respective Triple Crown’s but other than that, no.
I think you’ve tried to convince yourself of something to make a point. Unfortunately it is redundant as you are innacurate with your pressumption.
Yet there are no criminals or imbeciles in the Labour Party are there? Cash For Honours anyone? No charges hmm what a surprise.
Indeed, which is why I would never vote for a Labour party who’s leaders permitted such things to go on.
Even my Tory party aren’t exactly squeaky clean I admit so again why the cheap smear
Cheap smear? How many party leaders have a conviction for incitement to racial hatred? Or have stated that they believe the Holocaust was a lie? Or expressed their belief in the legitimacy of political violence? A brief scan of the internet will reveal that many BNP organisers and candidates either have convictions for violent/racial crimes or strong links to deeply unpleasant and racist groups such as Combat 18, Blood and Honour and the Ku Klux Klan. This isn’t hard to find and rather than outline it all here, you can read more here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/membership/organisers/criminal.stm%5B/size:3dvi72po%5D%5Dhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/programmes/2001/bnp_special/membership/organisers/criminal.stm
The BNP is a party that doesn’t allow non-whites to join, does not regard non-whites born in this country as British, believes in paying people who were born here but aren’t white to go and resettle in other countries and is opposed to mixed race marriages. Read their manifesto and it all sounds very moderate and reasonable. They have learnt the lesson that if you want any chance of power, you have to temper your language and curb your extremism, at least on the surface. But then I don’t suppose Hitler ran on a manifesto of mass-murder. That is where he ended up because it was the logical conclusion of his political philosophy. If you want to know how a party will act in government, you don’t just go by their manifesto, you look at the character of the people leading it and try to understand their beliefs.
The BNP are what they are, what they have always been; a racist, homophobic and dangerous organisation. If you ignore where they have come from, you can have no idea about where they are going and it is naïve in the extreme to just go by their manifesto. David Cameron doesn’t. He and every other senior Tory condemns them at every opportunity.
And please don’t take this as an invitation to a prolonged BNP themed debate. TRF has seen enough of those over the years and frankly I haven’t the energy to spend hours at a time going over the same ground. You shouldn’t take it as an attack, either Flash, since I appreciate your political sincerity and I could never take a dislike to someone from your part of the world (unless you told me you were a Wolves fan!)
The establishment has been out to get Nick Griffin for years. He once said (and he was quite right) they would charge him with helping an old lady accross the road if they could get away with it.
The BNP was formed on the back of race issues like Labour were formed "for the working man" but parties evolve and times change.
I am quite deep into politics. One look at BNP members letters dispels the myth of racial hatred it simply isn’t true anymore. Yes there WILL be BNP members / supports who harbour racial hatred but believe me they are also present in the Conservative Party and probably (not that I have anything to do with the red side) within the Labour party also, inverted racism or otherwise.
Its far, far too simplistic to label. Lets not forget its Labour that run this country. The BBC is a British Broadcasting Corporation which is effectively under Labour control. Even Sky. It is Rupert Murdoch’s baby. Murdoch is a close personal friend of Tony Blair and was anm advisor of Blairs when he was in power. Is it any wonder the media slant is all left? People fear for their jobs if they don’t follow the guidelines that are set.
There is a huge difference between the modern day BNP and the National Front but if the media constantly tell someone that Garreth Barry is the best footballer in the world people will soon start to believe it and once mud sticks its difficult to shift.
If you want corrupt, illegal – look no further than the party that is currently running the country. They are hardly a moral example.
Labour have done everything they can to destroy the BNP but they can’t do it, that tells you its own story.
Look at policy and ignore smear.
On to more important things – me a W****s fan? You are heading for deep water son.
I am a Baggie through and through. I’m a Premiership Club supporter. 
Come to think of it is it possible to find anything worse than a Labour voting W****s fan? Ewww, what a thought, a Red Dingle!!
Wouldn’t stand a chance, lay, lay, lay. Running on that funny stuff is a completely different ball game to European turf racing. No drug use. Would do well to do as well as Deep Impact did depending on the strength of this years Arc.
I agree Doyley I don’t think Jimmy Fortune gave the horse much chance.
A smaller field / better draw where he can run more in touch with the field I think may show him in a better light. Interestingly the time of thre race was slower than the Craven.
Sprinting may be his game but I wouuldn’t completely right him off over a mile.
Personally I welcome the fact that the Godolphin operation is poor and it IS when you look at the resources they have / have had.
Set up permanant base in Newmarket, stop buying off other people (seemingly) every decent prospect they can, then I’ll get off their back.
Alternatively go off to the states and do what they like over there. I hear the prize money is good Sheikh Mo and there’s plenty of sand for the horses to run on. Am I tempting you?
What makes me smile is people make the case for PR being more democratic.
Yet when PR is implemented and a minority party manages to get 5% of the vote and therefore some representation, the same people are then up in arms about these minority parties having a say in councils.
Is what they really saying "I’m in favour of PR only as long as it favours my own party?"
Whatever our own personal views of these extreme parties, if they attract 5% of the popular vote, put another way 1 in 20 of those who voted, then surely those 5% have the right to have their views expressed?
Is that not the precept of democracy?
Thats exactly my point democracy is democracy you cannot deny someone a democratic right. If you do that the whole concept of democracy is defeated. If you don’t have a democracy you will end up having a dictatorship either of the right or of the left (I don’t like the term extreme I think its misleading and often innacurate).
You have to have a level and fair playing field its the only way. Democracy has already been compromised by the lack of alternative in policy offered between Tory and Labour. That isn’t right and we cannot allow democracy to be compromised any further.
Lol The bottom one looks a Grand National type to me.
The filly is very femine looking isn’t she? Good luck with her anyway, hope she has a good career.
Chaps – there are 3 decent meetings in Ireland today….I’d say thats more than enough…
But not if you want to attend one in England.
From one extreme to another. Race planners clearly don’t know what they’re doing. Five or six meetings spread across the country is fine for a bank holiday Monday.
There used to be stacks of meetings – too many, now its obviously treated as "just another Monday". At least we have some good stuff at the Curragh.
Aidan is reported to have said (in an Irish Independent article) that he might send Henry to the English Derby as Coolmore regard it as the biggest prise in racing! Seems to contradict Jim B ?
Jim Bolger is talking nonsense though there’s more to it than meets the eye.
Henrythenavigator is by Kingmambo out of a Sadlers Well’s mare I’d say he’ll get ten furlongs but twelve is pushing it IMO.
Anyway don’t know why he’s bothering we all know Twice Over will win the Derby despite what Fist says.
RPR have Henry running to 123 to win the Guineas which is relatively low. I get his performance to 125. On RUK yesterday they were talking about the official handicapper rating it at around 114 given the proximity of the horses that finished third and fifth and taking into account Henry’s previous best form. That seems a ridiculously low rating to me. Wondering what sort of mark others have the winner running to?
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