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Was quite suprised by the betting on this race.
Morning price of 3-1 for River Proud, went to put a bet on it 10mins before and River Proud was 8/11! Managed to get 2/1 on Betfair but the horse still didnt ride his best.
Pasquier gave an uncharacteristic performance on Twice Over I thought.
Was it Pasquier who was on Twice Over on his last Grp2 win? That was a pretty decent ride in all fairness
No. Ted Durcan rode him the last time and to think he comes in for enough criticism on here!
I may have to bow to other peoples superior knowledge of french jockeys but that does not make me a numpty as to whether it was a crap ride or not. Interestingly enough Pasquier rode the winner Russian Cross in all of his previous runs but he rode a stinker here.
I couldn’t believe the Naivity of the commentator. "DOM the best turf horse in the world"
Yeah I heard that, is it just me or is D O M not particularly special, but the level of opposition around today for him is extremely poor? I know it’s a year/2 years too late, but Ouija Board/Manduro/Dylan Thomas would have wiped the floor with him!
I am not an AOB fan by any means but you can win one Group1, possibility two without being a great horse but no way can you knock off 5 in a row without being a top class horse. The horse just delivers. Even last year when he was not right he was still making the frame in G1’s and never out of the frame. Maybe we should just give credit where its due. He beat a horse who has been second in 4 consecutive G1’s in Phoenix Tower and laughed at the Derby winner. I think he is a stonking good horse.
Just not good enough.
But why bother give credit to a 5 time Group 1 winner when we can talk through our pocket about the beaten horses, well beaten horses I might add.
Not talking through my pocket at all here as I didn’t have a bet, but if you think New Approach gave his running today you need your head examined IMO. I have a strong suspicion that the Duke didn’t even run up to NA’s Derby form today.
How can you say that DOM didnt run up to NA’s Derby form? That form has hardly been franked since has it? In my opinion DOM just keeps improving and is bombproof. Phoenix Tower ran his heart out and I thought he was gonna do him today but yet again the Duke just pulled out a bit more. P Tower must surely be the unluckiest horse in training? Whats he got to do to get a Group 1? He has improved leaps and bounds and surely his time will come? New Approach is overrated in my opinion and only just plodded on to beat Pipedreamer.
On another topic, did everyone notice the team tactics employed by Ballydoyle? Red Rock Canyon nicely hugging the rail then moving off and even O’Donoghue looking round to see where the dangers where as he let DOM through and kept PT in?
You can discount all of AOB’s for me. Ice Queen looked like a donkey until her last race and I think in retrospect that looks a poor Irish Oaks. Lush Lashes, I doubt if she will line up. I cant see her getting a mile and a half on this ground anyway so if she does line up then will be one to take on in my book.Folk Opera doesnt look up to it, neither does Allegretto even though she will certainly appreciate the true test of stamina. That to me narrows it down to the two Abdulla fillies and with Promising Lead maybe not making it then I shall side with POT provided Durcan rides her better than he did in the Nassau. She is in top form and deserving of winning a race like this. Even though she has won on the heavy in France, then hopefully it wont be as bad as it was at Sandown when she was tailed off in the Brigadier Gerard as then I will really be stuck for a winner!
I had a small e/w wager on Ajaan last week at 33/1 and am looking forward to collecting on it. Cruised to win his first two handicaps this season, was going as well as anything until his stamina gave out at Ascot and got jarred up last time. I think he has as good a chance as anything and is considerably shorter than 33/1 now.
I have a few quid on Multidimensional e/w at 25/1 at the 4 day stage and so long as there are 8 runners I think I may be ok as I think he has a solid e/w chance with the ground and distance.
If it were run at Goodwood probably but will it act on the likely soft ground? Two good priced horses against the field for me are Donegal and Templestern who will both love it soft and will stay and will I suspect be a decent price but I accept the chance of being shot down in flames.
Well done.
Hope you got on EW.
Had Templestern e/w but unfortunately only the win on Donegal. Still at least it shows maybe I know something about the game after all?
Paco Boy or Major Cadeaux for me. Chapple Hyam cant buy a winner either at the moment.
….then just realised he finally had one today!!
If it were run at Goodwood probably but will it act on the likely soft ground? Two good priced horses against the field for me are Donegal and Templestern who will both love it soft and will stay and will I suspect be a decent price but I accept the chance of being shot down in flames.
He has banged in a few winners this week. The 2 year olds are starting to roll out. 35 winners already and plenty more to come. Come on Henry!
Class won the day. Think it was even too soft for him but won comfortably enough. Cracking price too. Think he may have another couple of nice prizes in him if the ground stays on the softer side of good before the end of the season.
If Multidimensional cant win this one then I will give up on it. Likes the ground, suitable trip, dropped in class…all adds up to a likely victory for me.
I just had a quick flick through Steve Taplin’s 2YOs of 2008 to guage the quality of Cecil’s current crop of juveniles and there are some beautifully-bred horses there yet to race. Ok, so he’s not got some of his old owners, but there surely ought to be some nice winners from these…
An Oasis Dream half sister to Camacho, named Bouvardia.
A Pivotal half-sister to Multidimensional named Consciousness.
A fully brother to Passage Of Time named Father Time
An Elusive Quality half sister to dual Grade 1 placed First Defence, called Honest Quality.
An Empire Maker filly out of multiple group 1 winner Heat Haze named Rare Virtue.
A Storm Cat colt out of Coup De Genie, which makes him a full-brother to Denebola, named Tiantai.
A full sister to Beat Hollow named Wemyss Bay
An unnamed Storm Cat half-brother to Admiralofthefleet.[/b]
[b]Indeed, Honest Quality has already won 2 out of 3, last time out a listed contest and will be upped in class next time out. Judging from his website, he has high hopes for Tiantai out of the ones you mentioned and others that are due out later this week, namely On Our Way, Wingwalker and Bouvardia are well regaded. He always used to have ‘talking horses’ granted that didnt live up to the hype but then again so has each and every trainer….I believe Washington Irving was regrded as one of AOB’s best and has still to win a race?
how many trainers would of messed up Twice Over quite so spectacularly?
In what way has he "messed up" that horse?
Have to admit I wondered that.
Me too!
The horse was wrong when he was third in the Dante, but the winner and second have not done too badly since have they!
Dropping him back to a mile was probably not the right idea but he still had some bloody good horses behind him even that day and to be 3rd to HTN and Ravens Pass was hardly bad form. He subsequently nicely won a VERY valuable G2 in France and I think will be a leading player next season at 10f.
I still think that Henry is right up there with the best of them, the main problem being that he is too reliant on Khaled Abdulla for his firepower nowadays. He also could benefit from a better jockey. Much as I like Ted Durcan, I think that other jockeys would have won on Phoenix Tower in the Eclipse, Multidimensional in the Hardwicke and possibly Passage of Time in the Nassau (a better test of stamina would have benefitted her – even allowing for the Lush Lashes situation). That would have been 3 big races in the bag.
If, as I believe he has, he introduces some nice 2 year olds before the end of the season then next season may see the resurgence continue!
Sorry not Group 1 but I think relevant….
It does seem that very few horses get disqualified nowadays. I remember years ago two horses I backed, Vacarme and Sabrehill getting chucked out after hacking up in their respective races, both for bumping/barging their way out I believe. Vacarme was ridden by Lester and I believe it was the Richmond Stakes at Goodwood. I think that was when Daniel Wildenstein withdrew his horses from British racing/Henry Cecil but cant remember if it was as a result of the disqualification or for Henry standing by Lester? The Sabrehill incident was even more harsh as he was booted out for bumping Bobzao even though he trotted up by 6 or 7 lengths. Does seem a lot different/fairer nowadays.
