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Well, each to their own view, on the brighter side, he’ll be a better price next time. Coral have already pulled him out to 9-1 for the arc.
Just not good enough.
But why bother give credit to a 5 time Group 1 winner when we can talk through our pocket about the beaten horses, well beaten horses I might add.
Not talking through my pocket at all here as I didn’t have a bet, but if you think New Approach gave his running today you need your head examined IMO. I have a strong suspicion that the Duke didn’t even run up to NA’s Derby form today.
Well, each to their own view, on the brighter side, he’ll be a better price next time. Coral have already pulled him out to 9-1 for the arc.
You will not have to wait that long, due to clash with DOM again in the Irish Champion Stakes on Saturday week.
You will not have to wait that long, due to clash with DOM again in the Irish Champion Stakes on Saturday week.
Nice!
I’ll start my rain dance now. If rain comes between now and then I’ll get another few quid on for the arc, while he’s as big as he is.My thoughts.
NA was never going to win on that ground. Manning did nothing wrong, if he let him go, he’d have been beaten out of sight. The horse is a difficult character, but on soft ground in the Arc, I’d be very interested.
Duke of Marmalade looks like a horse who needs someone to draw up alongside him to do his best. When horses come at him, he finds extra gears.
I’m not sure if he’s just relaxing when he hits the front or if he does actually need 1m4. There is no denying that he is a very, very good horse.Just not good enough.
But why bother give credit to a 5 time Group 1 winner when we can talk through our pocket about the beaten horses, well beaten horses I might add.
Not talking through my pocket at all here as I didn’t have a bet, but if you think New Approach gave his running today you need your head examined IMO. I have a strong suspicion that the Duke didn’t even run up to NA’s Derby form today.
How can you say that DOM didnt run up to NA’s Derby form? That form has hardly been franked since has it? In my opinion DOM just keeps improving and is bombproof. Phoenix Tower ran his heart out and I thought he was gonna do him today but yet again the Duke just pulled out a bit more. P Tower must surely be the unluckiest horse in training? Whats he got to do to get a Group 1? He has improved leaps and bounds and surely his time will come? New Approach is overrated in my opinion and only just plodded on to beat Pipedreamer.
On another topic, did everyone notice the team tactics employed by Ballydoyle? Red Rock Canyon nicely hugging the rail then moving off and even O’Donoghue looking round to see where the dangers where as he let DOM through and kept PT in?
Thought the other jockeys missed a trick there. They could easily have gone upsides Red Rock Canyon and stopped him moving out. Keeping DOM (and Phoenix Tower behind him) in a pocket.
Mark
Value Is EverythingBulwark – just remember that Manning will still be on board in all races!
In-laws eh? Cant live with ’em, can’t kill ’em. Think Sheikh Mohammed may be trying to get Dettori’s foot in the jockeying door after today though.
I do agree with Friggo, pretty much everything that could have went wrong for New Approach today did. On good or worse ground there should be much more margin for Manning error. No guarantee of that in irish champion, but we shall see.
With regards New Approach going to the front being worse for him, what like in the 2000 guineas? If a horse more than gets a trip you dont ride it for speed at the back. Murtagh had the right idea, Manning should either attend a remedial pace judgement course or just watch what the better jockeys are doing next time.
Yes reference point. Whatever the effect, intended or not, it looks ugly
I cant have NA for top races now..sadly. The risk of him behaving like that is simply too great.
Would another jockey make much difference? Not so sure
The fact of the matter is DOM totally anihaleted New Approach and when your wrong you have to stand up and be counted.
I am not making excuses I was 100% wrong but I couldn’t believe the Naivity of the commentator. "DOM the best turf horse in the world"
His world must be very small. I would bet my life DOM wont see the way Zarkava went in the Arc.
Zarakava must now be the biggest certainty since Sea Bird II IMO
I agree with Mark Johnson. To suggest that Zarkava, who has yet to race against her elders, or colts has superior form to Duke of Marmalade is frankly laughable.
It has to be pure guesswork…
Fist..a tenner to you life?
Want the video of you blowing your brains out to settle up please
I couldn’t believe the Naivity of the commentator. "DOM the best turf horse in the world"
Yeah I heard that, is it just me or is D O M not particularly special, but the level of opposition around today for him is extremely poor? I know it’s a year/2 years too late, but Ouija Board/Manduro/Dylan Thomas would have wiped the floor with him!
I couldn’t believe the Naivity of the commentator. "DOM the best turf horse in the world"
Yeah I heard that, is it just me or is D O M not particularly special, but the level of opposition around today for him is extremely poor? I know it’s a year/2 years too late, but Ouija Board/Manduro/Dylan Thomas would have wiped the floor with him!
I am not an AOB fan by any means but you can win one Group1, possibility two without being a great horse but no way can you knock off 5 in a row without being a top class horse. The horse just delivers. Even last year when he was not right he was still making the frame in G1’s and never out of the frame. Maybe we should just give credit where its due. He beat a horse who has been second in 4 consecutive G1’s in Phoenix Tower and laughed at the Derby winner. I think he is a stonking good horse.
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New Approach was being scrubbed along from a long way out, and I doubt that being 4 lengths nearer the pace at that stage would have made a blind bit of difference. The way he ran today suggests that even the 12f of the Arc won’t be far enough for him unless it turns into a soft ground slogt. One thing is certain, he will meet appreciably better horses there than those he beat in the Derby.
I thought that DoM’s first 2 wins this season were in soft races, but no horse finds 5 easy gp1’s in succession. Even the great HenryCecil was surpised how easily he beat Phoenix Tower in the PoW.
He looks a horse that just does enough, and then pulls out more if necessary, as he has done in each of his last 3 races invariably gaining ground on his challengers at the finish. A very high class horse who will probably prove even better over 12f, and, should they meet again in the Arc, I doubt NA will see the way he went.The fact of the matter is DOM totally anihaleted New Approach and when your wrong you have to stand up and be counted.
I am not making excuses I was 100% wrong but I couldn’t believe the Naivity of the commentator. "DOM the best turf horse in the world"
His world must be very small. I would bet my life DOM wont see the way Zarkava went in the Arc.
Zarakava must now be the biggest certainty since Sea Bird II IMO
If your going to demand such standards, presumably you have assessed the Japanese turf horses as well FOF?
Zarakava might be the second coming but it is quite laughable to claim she is the best in the world right now when she has not taken on an older horse let alone a colt! After that she can be proclaimed the best horse on turf.
I doubt they will meet in the Arc either.
I’ll start my rain dance now. If rain comes between now and then I’ll get another few quid on for the arc, while he’s as big as he is.
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