Forum Replies Created
- Posts
Owner of Azzuri on Twitter very negative about the horse’s chance at the trip/track though does work on a trading floor and might be putting the world away!
Bad idea – too open to sympathetic interpretation from wallahs with agendas like Cormack who don’t really understand the game. They’d say oh how lovely look how excellent this is with no whips while the rest of us are pulling our hair out at the wholly unsatisfactory sport and betting proposition, 75% of the runners not seen to best effect, huge bias towards prominent racers/travelly types etc.
Don’t even go there.
It was sad how this horse’s career panned out. Once thought of very highly at the Cox yard.
I really think that’s what happened.
Seamie Heffernan is a veteran pro who has played the Coolmore game for years. If they told him to go hard and hassle Frankie into going a genuine pace, he would have carried it out and erred on the side of overdoing it if anything. With those instructions today’s ride would be such an unthinkably large error – far too big for anyone with Heffernan’s experience and long history of being the ultimate team player.
Really is worth noting that Ballydoyle don’t often play around with the pace in fillies/mares race. That kind of ‘race manipulation’ they tend to save for the colts, again hitting home how ‘fillies are the rake’ as far as they’re concerned.
Thanks all! Really nice winner that – hoovered up quite a bit on the machine at 40+ the night before and just before the off. Was first leg of a trixie as well but sadly Heydour and Real Warrior did not fancy knocking a couple of years off my retirement age.
When they turned for home I was cursing myself for playing win-only as a never-nearer 3rd looked a big possibility, but Brace delivered him beautifully. I think Grapevine might be underrated next time as well. That was a smart effort coming from the back off what looked like a pretty steady gallop.
Coolmore jockeys ride exactly to instructions. Improvisation is not encouraged. Seamie would’ve done precisely as he was told there, likewise Donnacha and Moore.
Which I think makes you wonder why the instructions were so hopelessly half-baked! What was the point of the outclassed Peach Tree’s presence if they were just going to lob along beside Frankie without doing anything to help the two good hold-up fillies who really needed a good pace assist? Especially baffling given that Pink Dogwood and Fleeting had both already been undermined by being poorly-placed against pace biases this season. Did they not note the huge pace bias the Curragh has had recently? Did they not SEE how Frankie dictated to win the Ribblesdale on his filly? It really didn’t take a genius to see what might happen if they failed to act.
To me this all screams poor preparation – somebody has dropped the ball in working this race out and instructing the jockeys. I imagine of all people Ryan Moore would’ve been the most angry by how this race unfolded. He rose to prominence by improvising (remember rides like Notnowcato?!) and outthinking rival jockeys to steal races, much as SDS day in day out in the UK at the moment. I expect he was quietly seething after this little fiasco.
It just goes to show how little Coolmore/Ballydoyle care about what their fillies achieve on the racetrack. If they show any kind of 100+ ability, they’ll be going onto the farm to breed for the next 15+ seasons, so there aren’t really the urgent financial incentives they face with colts.
Likewise, race certainly cut up. Have ended up backing Pacific De Baune as I think he’s a class horse in a field of exposed summer jumpers.
Only 6. Sent off 4/1 and Hendo first string v Santini once upon a time. Gave chunks of weight and almost beat Act Of Valour at Fakenham. The big field scenario is an unknown admittedly. Got 8/1.
Also played Value At Risk small at 25+.
Very fearful of the ground beginning to turn here but have chipped away at everything 40+ on Betfair on Grapevine. Happy to play win-only as think he’s fairly polarised between winning and running terribly.
Of all the high-profile people who could talk sense on this issue (though I’m glad there is somebody taking the stand) why did it have to be Mark Johnston?
Most of the cognoscenti regard him as a crackpot who opposes any changes in the sport by default, with his bizarre stance on 48-hour declarations and wind ops particularly damaging to his credibility.
Hopefully others come out in support and shut down this debate.
You really are something, hein.
I think I’d be right in saying that kind of short price would be right for King Of Comedy if the race cut right up with no Too Darn Hot, Phoenix Of Spain and others. I didn’t say it would – I just said if. As we were all saying, it looked like things were heading that was as recently as yesterday.
You’re calling me a manipulator, a liar and saying bookmakers are crooks with no basis at all. I’ve picked apart everything you’ve said and you’re embarrassing yourself at this point – not for the first time judging by some of the things you’ve said to old Gingertipster on his thread.
Really does show how far The Racing Forum has fallen when people like you are among the top posters.
I won’t hold my breath for my apology.
Strange market.
Get real, hein bollow. As if a bookmaker would mess around like that. Imagine being the trader having to explain that one to the business.
“Well, I pushed out the one that’s running and shortened up the one that isn’t. Although we did get filled in with lumpy bets from people who actually knew the plans and now have a horrible book, we DID take 50p from somebody who bets all the blue ones on Oddschecker. What do you mean I’m sacked?”
The truth is that we’re guessing as much as everyone else sometimes. The industry gets it wrong sometimes.
Another good race, very nice renewal.
I don’t bet many horses with 1111111 form figures but I wonder if 141 underestimates Longhouse Sale. I really liked the ill-fated Santani (fancied he was 135+ himself) and Longhouse Sale just laughed at him at Ludlow. I fancy he’s more 151 than 141, although St Gallen is obviously still well-handicapped himself.
Of those at big prices, I’m tempted by Grapevine for the underrated Sophie Leech crew. Conor Brace already jocked-up and 20/1 looks a bit strong. He’s totally dependent upon a rattling fast surface but never got the conditions he needed when with Nicky Henderson aside from a ‘jumpers bumper’ win. I remember trading the novice hurdle he ran in at Kempton last March – there was an absolute avalanche of cash for him about an hour before the race. Then it POURED with rain, the ground changed and he disappointed. 115-7 is a nice hurdling mark for him in his ideal conditions, especially since he has been running well from marks around 80 of late on the flat for Charlie Hills. He isn’t the most fluent jumper but I think he’d be in the mix with a clear round.
Fransham, Ingleby Hollow and Nayati ought to be winning handicap hurdles from their current marks too. Belting race.
