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While never being regarded as a superstar, Walter Swinburn was a markedly better horseman in big races than round the gaffe. Frankie is probably the superstar but riding horses no longer occupies number one spot over his family, especially after his fortunate escape in the plane crash.
Regarding his defeat at York, only Dahlia and Troy have completed the King George-International double, Duke of Marmalade’s victory was at Newmarket and with a longer break between races.
While John Hislop offered no excuses and freely admitted they were beaten by a better horse on the day, he did believe that the Brigadier had a harder race than was imagined at Ascot. It was also the only time he raced left-handed in his career. After his defeat he then broke the track record at Ascot despite being left 3 lengths at the start.
His reputation was undoubtedly sullied by his poor stud record but he was a magnificent racehorse whom I was lucky enough to see in his retirement at Swynford Paddocks Hotel.People who use betting exchanges are not customers but speculators. The exchanges make their money from the successful speculations.
While I agree that the pictures should be boldly captioned as delayed even then no one is forcing anyone to bet.If you put all the caveats in the world in someone’s path it is human nature that someone will ignore them. When it comes to gambling it is very much a case that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". As someone who has worked in betting shops in Newmarket I can relate a cautionary tale, one Saturday I was "tipped" 7 different horses in one race by punters in the know coming in to the shop. The only thing I could guarantee was that at least 6 of them were going to lose.
From the meat of this thread the equation does seem relatively simple;
Betting in running off course + Using ATR feeds to base their opinion = Mug Punter
Any off course betting is done without complete knowledge. There is very little difference between betting in-running off course and going into a bookies and placing a bet.
Anyone who thinks they are gaining an advantage by betting "in-running" only succeeds in having less time to lose their money.
The trainer was confident that both his horses would run well, which they did, This is after all the richest handicap these horses are going to contest. The winner’s race record was reflected in his price but for the trainer to say definitively that his horses are going to do anything other than run well in a race of this nature would be fanning the flames of optimism.
Well done to the winner – game entry from the trainer.
I think Hoof It will win group races, but will need to improve again for G1.
Zip
I dont think he needs to find much improvement, but definitely needs another furlong. Trouble is that he is a horse that is always going to be punted and his odds will seldom reflect his chance. Makes you wonder how the bookies ever stay in business!
He may well have the class to win, but given that his best form is at 6f rather than 5f, he is not good value.
In his halcyon days, Kieron would not have made such a bold statement, preferring to keep his powder dry.
I’m sure the bookies are quite happy to lay the horse at lower odds than his Stewards Cup victory whereby they can recoup their losses with interest should he not be up to the task.
Third for three in the big ones,Derby,King George and Juddmonte. Maybe it’s time to get Murtagh back and let Joseph ride in the apprentice races to lose his claim and earn his right to race with the big boys.
Its fairly obvious that you have a whole portion of chips on your shoulder in regards to young Mr O’Brien. By failing to acknowledge that he rode an excellent race on Roderic O’Connor (His first live chance in a classic) in the Irish 2000 your argument looks more like an embittered diatribe.
We all have opinions of jockeys good and bad but do you honestly believe that the Coolmore operation would allow family sentiment to get in the way of business. It is quite clear that Johnny Murtagh and Aidan O’Brien had a breakdown in their relationship so that avenue is closed.Dont forget that Timeform’s rating during the season are always adjusted downwards when the season ends. Their true opinion of a horse’s merit comes in the Annual.
At the moment, Frankel is the best miler in training, as his trainer has, and still intends to keep him at a mile then any other speculation is just that. He maybe a very special animal but if he retired tomorrow it would be as one of the great milers, so we can but hope he continues to progress.
Until Frankel is tried over further then we will not know, but unless he is then he must be compared to other great milers like Kris, Known Fact and Zilzal, rather than the Brigadier.
Listening to the interview of Richard Hughes after the Sussex, he was honest enough to say that they had been beaten fair and square but also that Canford Cliffs did not give his true running. Both he and Richard Hannon were both keen to take on Frankel again.
Horses that win 5 group ones on the bounce are rare and defeating Rip Van Winkle and Goldikova on seperate occasions shows he was a fine animal. After the Sussex last year he never saw the racetrack again so its reasonable to suppose he was not 100% after the race which would account for Richard Hannon saying it wasnt his track.
Personally I am much more inclined to believe the Hannon team regarding Canford Cliffs than Workforce connexions claiming that Rewilding had struck into him. The detailed explanation of the scan is in sharp contrast to the vagueness from that quarter.People are being seriously harsh here on Workforce. He was the only one able to quicken off horribly dead ground at Sandown and pick up the winner conceding a fair bit of weight. He sustained his run for over 3f in the Derby, and he’s basically not won today because he didn’t run in a straight line. Ascot is an incredible wide track and he’s gone right from one side to the other. God knows how many lengths he’s given away doing that.
I think Pythagoras may be of more practical help than the Good Lord!
If he drifted 50 yards off a true line in 2 furlongs the distance lost is less than 3 yards, considerably less distance than he was beaten.
A sad end to an unsatisfactory race, although the best horse on the day won.
Joseph O’Brien rode a considerably better race than Ryan Moore on a horse which has probably run up to his Coronation Cup form 121-122. He kept his mount going in a straight line while his 2 rivals drifted, the horse under him just wasnt up to the task.
Workforce ran roughly to 123-124, slightly lower than his Eclipse run, which is probably as good as he is. Like most English winners of the Derby, he was over-rated by the assessor on that effort. I think his Eclipse run represents his best career performance thus far.
Nathaniel, an improving 3yo with sound course form. His jockey adapted best to the situation set before him but the horse was still giving plenty. He is still open to improvement.
If Pour Moi is as good as Andre Fabre stated (he compared him favourably with Peintre Celebre) he would appear to be a good thing for the Arc.
