Whatever Happened to the Superstar Jockey ?

[andyod]

I can only add that if you are a small trainer a top jocey can charge you "travel" expenses.If you think it is worthwhile you will pay him.Trouble is if he accepts your offer he may come in for other rides at the meeting.Then you are paying travel expenses and others benefit.You can agree that if he gets other rides you don’t pay travel expenses.

[Eclipse First]

While never being regarded as a superstar, Walter Swinburn was a markedly better horseman in big races than round the gaffe. Frankie is probably the superstar but riding horses no longer occupies number one spot over his family, especially after his fortunate escape in the plane crash.

[Drone]

Do top jockeys get paid a higher fee or does everyone get the standard tariff?
I am interested because sometimes one sees the comment like: "The fact that Hanagan/Fallon/Dettori has been booked for the ride suggests that connections think the horse has a good chance."
Now, if connections have to pay up to get a good jockey that suggests they are really committed and the horse has a good chance..

Define a "top jockey"

You are assuming jockeys, trainers and sundry connections actually know the calibre of horse they’re charged with and/or have the nous to assess it; or at least have more ‘information’ than the studious punter. That’s a contentious one

The booking of a "top jockey" on a small-timer’s steed can on occasions be of interest, but more often than not in my experience is no more than an owner’s affectation

Of rather more interest is the booking of a ‘bottom jockey’ claiming 7, or a nondescript who can do the weight, on a high-flyer’s steed

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[ricky lake]

A silly thread really , everything has changed since Lester , Pat and Willie etc

You can only compare like with like

Nowadays we have a racing programme mostly class 5 and 6 , ie low grade crap , good racing is few and far between

For the record , my personal view is that Dettori /Murtagh . and Hughes on their day would be a match for most , except perhaps Lester who was in a league of his own and still is

cheers

Ricky

[JJMSports]

Moore and Murtagh are streets ahead of the rest. Moore, Murtagh, Fallon, top three.

[andyod]

I find it interesting that many pick as one of the great jockeys,Johnny Murtagh who was let go by Ballydoyle to make room for Joseph O’Brien whose father thinks he is better than Murtagh.I know that Aidan is a great judge of a horse and a wonderful trainer but as he said to Kinane after he messed up at the BC "in a few years you will realise that you were wrong".

[Coggy]

Ricky – Thanks for your repeat views that a thread that I started is silly, sadly I thought that it was a point for discussion on a forum mate.
To bring you back to the original point, I wonder why the originally stated super jockeys who won big races everywhere, when transport was much more difficult, and still challenged, when they wanted, for the title, do not seem to exist any longer. (Other than a PR friendly Dettori, who is not frankly in the same league ).
With all due respect to them, Hanagan, Fallon, and de Sousa, are not a threat to stable jockeys over big race rides, spend most of their time in lower class meetings, and are not fit to be compared to the great jockeys of the past

[kasparov]

What was it that these superstars did that Hanagan, Moore and the others can’t do now? I doubt if they made the horses go any faster (except by using the whip differently then). It seems to me the key to superior jockeyship is judging pace and position and it’s not obvious that the best riders today are worse at this than Piggott and the others.

[andyod]

Perhaps you are right. Ballydoyle no longer goes for the "name jockeys".Work riders ride for them now,even in the Group One races.

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