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Have any 3yos completed the 2000/Derby/Arc or 1000/Oaks/Arc treble?
At this hour of the morning I can’t think of any.
Quote: from Grasshopper on 8:07 pm on Sep. 18, 2006[br]My dog has no nose.<br>
Wie riecht er?
I heard/read somewhere that existing monthly subscribers to RUK on Sky will have their direct debit amended to £15 from the October renewal. Won’t hold my breath
Mind you Hurling from the Auld Sod is a welcome addition to the wasted hours in couch potato mode.
Quote: from EC on 8:14 pm on Sep. 18, 2006[br]Alleged..very nearly won the Leger..then won the Arc..can’t remember any horse doing the double though..probably missing a really obvious one ..has it been done?<br>
Ballymoss won the Leger in ’57 and the Arc in ’58 but can’t think of any who’ve won both as a 3yo
Nijinsky went close of course
Here’s hoping the refreshing decision to run Sixties Icon in the Arc pays dividends
Edit: Alleged was indeed special EC. Lucky enough to see him in the flesh twice: when winning the Voltigeur and his second to Dunfermline in the Leger. Also the last horse to win two Arcs and the first to acheive that feat since the immortal Ribot; his timefigure in the Voltigeur was around 140 if I recall correctly.
Edit: Ribot being Alleged’s paternal third-sire, I’ve just re-discovered.
(Edited by Drone at 8:40 pm on Sep. 18, 2006)<br>
(Edited by Drone at 9:07 pm on Sep. 18, 2006)
Quote: from Artemis on 9:52 am on Sep. 15, 2006[br]Our own systems forum is very quiet, so I presume most people have the game beaten and don’t want to share any knowledge. Or maybe the game has beaten them and they believe it wasn’t their fault and there’s nothing to be learned.<br>
Anyone with a winning system would be best advised to keep it under their hat as such betting is particularly sensitive to over exposure. ‘Quick returners’, ‘follow the Cheltenham Bumper/Wood Ditton runners’ spring to mind as such exposed now non-profitable systems. Though of course there is cyclicity to consider as once a system is abandoned as over-exposed it could well become profitable again for the minority prepared to stick with it.
Quote: from roland on 5:46 pm on Sep. 13, 2006[br]Shooting Light (RIP) in the Aon chase.<br>Backed it in Best mates 1st gold cup and after a lay off through injury just couldn’t let it go off at 40’s on betfair in a race where the plodder keen leader was odds on.
Fond memories of that day too. SL was owned by John Brown sometime MD of Hill’s and it was noteworthy that they were much the shortest early doors: 16/1 but 33/1 generally if memory serves.
Echo the thoughts of others: a big improvement.
As for the grammatical errors I’d suggest googling ‘comma splice’.
Hope your exams went okay Jackane.
Timeform do not produce timefigures for NH, only collateral Form Ratings a la RPR.
For the Flat they produce both Form Ratings and Time Ratings. They are independent of each other i.e. one does not influence the other. The timefigures can be seen as adding robustness (or not) to the form rating.
So when the RP announce that Timeform have awarded x a rating of y that is the form rating and does not take into account the time performance; these timefigures are available to those who subscribe to Perspective, Black Book etc.
Timeform’s Flat annual – Racehorses – has only the Form Ratings.
Neither Bull nor Whitford to the best of my knowledge had anything more than a cursory interest in NH and Timeform themselves didn’t really get involved in NH until the ’70s. The first C&H was released in ’76.
Lungfuls of that particular scented lady are best appreciated by the leisured, indolent gentleman on retiring to bed at the civilised hour of 3am to sample the equally alluring aroma of a freshly opened Timeform annual; to the DM’d foot-soldier bolting typhoo and toast at the uncivilised hour of 3am prior to pounding the streets around sunrise her caress is surely more anaesthetic than euphoric.
Whatever gets you through the night
DHL for Scotland, Royal Mail for England it seems and a day late via the former. Good old GPO – ‘with us it’s personal’ – whatever that’s supposed to mean.
At the likely odds come post time I’ll be backing Baddam in the Cup. Only a 4yo and still looks a tad unexposed over this kind of trip, though I’d be even keener over 20f.
In the Park Hill Guadalahara makes the market for Allegretto; ~5/2 looks good enough.
For the clock watchers at York it’s currently nearly flat calm with the occasional SSE zephyr.
Enjoy
Quote: from yquem21 on 12:35 pm on Sep. 7, 2006[br]Oh, joyous day! My copy of C&H arrived this morning.
‘Sorry, you were out’ says the red card.
Quote: from dave jay on 9:03 pm on Sep. 6, 2006[br].. none of them a really worth a light.
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Apart from the Beast of Bolsover and Boris
Good advice from Pegwell.
Why not go the whole hog and order a free demo disk of Computer Timeform as well?
A final word about C&H. Not only is it a good read, informative, useful etc. but the book itself is a work of art. Beautifully bound and printed on high quality gloss paper it stands comparison with anything the Folio Society produces; and rather refreshingly is still printed in Wakefield not the far east.
Quote: from Grasshopper on 9:37 pm on Sep. 5, 2006[br]Did Timeform used to bung in the statistical review with the Chasers & Hurdlers as a freebie?
I’m sure I’ve got a couple of copies from the early 90’s, of another (slimmer A5) volume, that came with C&H.
They did indeed though billions of unsold copies languishing at Timeform House to this day are a constant and salutary reminder to Brother Bull’s disciples that the sole reason most buy the annuals is for the dust covers not a poxy leatherette-boxed twosome. Hapiily sanity was restored in ’95.
Sweet Saturday approaches: C&H breaking the floorboards and the last horse in the Leger disappearing into the nether regions of the Knavesmire.
Farewell Flat, Howdy Heaven
Winking and Smiling
Quote: from stolenhorse on 1:56 am on Sep. 5, 2006[br]What is the Statistical Review and Ledger could someone please explain what each of these are and if they are worth getting?<br>
Go to:
And from the menu click ‘Products’
Then click ‘Handicap Ledger’ and ‘Trainers Statistical Review’ for explanations. Not much to add other than they’re A4 in size and on the one occasion I bought the Statistical Review I didn’t find it of particular interest or use, though fair enough value for money when sold in conjunction with C&H.
Being a Roselier you’d expect 3m would be no problem though the profile of his unraced dam’s relatives doesn’t exactly add conviction. I’d like to think he’ll be one of those capable of top-class form at all distances between 2m and 3m+ as the Richards’ beloved One Man nearly was.
It’s a shame the proper Edward Hanmer Chase is no more as that would have been an ideal starting point IMO. KG apart a rather softer option that springs to mind would be the Future Stars Intermediate Chase (think he’s qualified) at the Tingle Creek meeting. Love to see him cutting it over the Railway fences.
