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Quote: from roland on 8:34 pm on Sep. 23, 2006[br]<br>In my squaddie days with bouts of homesickness after a tour i would head back to my home city on the train. The "welcome to York" sign always made me smile, with the York part being a giant Yorkie bar with the "ie" bitten off.<br>Not so sure where they are made these days though.
<br>Roland
Yorkie Bars along with Kitkat, Aero and Milky Bars will shortly be the only brands left that are manufactured at the old Rowntree factory in York, now that parent company Nestle have decided to ‘outsource’ the manufacture of Smarties and other brands to Hamburg and, apparently, the Czech Republic.
It will only be a matter of time I’d imagine until Rowntree’s is closed completely and York becomes cocoa-free, following the closure of Terry’s last year.
The sugar beet refinery is also to close, so the once familiar scent of Chocolate Oranges drifting up the nostrils on a southerly breeze is already history and that of stewing beets on a northerly breeze soon will be.
So York will become increasingly reliant on wedge from tourists. Long has been in truth.
Quote: from EC on 11:17 pm on Sep. 23, 2006[br]
125 isn’t an exceptional time figure really..it’s what a really decent G1 horse should achieve. 130 is something special..above that exceptional.
Looking at how GW achieved the 125..never got cajoled…..I would say he has the potential to achieve the 130+
Agreed EC
Out of interest do you have available your timefigures for any/all of the performances below? They are those between 1/1/95 and 31/12/05 that returned a Timeform timefigure of >130, along with the corresponding RP Topspeed. Don’t know if there were any this year as I haven’t subscribed to TF’s 2006 Flat database.
3/5/97 Entrepreneur 131 ?<br>3/5/98 Cape Verdi 131 124<br>16/6/98 Intikhab 135 129<br>25/7/98 Swain 131 127<br>17/8/99 Royal Anthem 138 116<br>17/5/03 Hawk Wing131 128<br>21/8/03 Oasis Dream 133 118<br>14/5/05 Rakti 133 100
No way do I want to enter into a debate along the lines of ‘who’s are accurate/best/correct’ simply interested to know if your figures mirror TF or TS or are somewhere in between.
Feel free to ignore if it’s too time consuming a request; it’s of no great importance.
An interesting exchange between GH, EC and EW
FWIW, in the case of steeplechases I regard speed/time performances as being someway subordinate to jumping ability/technique and course form. It matters little if a horse is ‘fast’ if it can’t jump or , at least, isn’t so adept as others in the race in question; I would almost always prefer a ‘slow’ proficient jumper to a ‘fast’ fence-belter. That’s not saying that I don’t give greater credence to a race that was ‘truly run’ as a likely source of more reliable form – I do – but quantifying those ‘truly run’ performances as timefigures has never seemed necessary, but quantifying jumping ability and ‘horses for courses’ has, and form a major part of my armoury.
However I’m not dismissing NH timefigures as a waste of time – daresay many compile and use them to good effect – just that I haven’t found it necessary to employ them personally; whereas in my days of ‘serious’ Flat punting I found them invaluable.
I regard the analysis of Flat and NH races as separate and distinct arts: Flat analysis being more concerned with shape-and-pace race profiling but NH analysis being more concerned with individual horse profiling. A gross generalisation of course.
As SHL points out – whatever works for you.
I once read a nauseatingly florid and sensationalist book by Tim Fitzgeorge-Parker called ‘Great Jockeys’ or some such, whose prime objective seemed to be the canonization of said ‘greats’. Long out of print I’d guess, and hope.
Mildred Pierce is being shown on TCM at 1255 on Tuesday.
Joan Crawford fans can see her again in ‘What Ever happened to Baby Jane’ later on the same day at 2100.
Quote: from roland on 3:11 pm on Sep. 23, 2006[br]this cricket loving yorkshire man!!:biggrin:
Oh joy Roland, a soulmate at last.
Fine knock by Darren Lehmann the other day. Shame he didn’t add a couple more runs to equal George Hirst’s 100 year old record; or perhaps not seeing as GH was actually born within the Broadacres.
Astriphyicocal
What in heaven’s name does this mean?
Edit: sorry GGD on second thoughts I think it must simply be a spell check error
(Edited by Drone at 4:17 pm on Sep. 23, 2006)<br>
(Edited by Drone at 4:20 pm on Sep. 23, 2006)
"Skinhead yobbo"
Does this mean:
All skinheads are yobbos<br>All yobbos are skinheads<br>Some skinheads are yobbos<br>Some yobbos are skinheads
You interpreted my words as you wanted to, not as I meant.
Was quite fond of Sta-press, check Ben Shermans, Harringtons and knee length DM’s myself around the time Dave and Ansell Collins were rambling on about a monkey spanner and I frequented the kop at Hillsborough. Never had my beautiful auburn locks shaved off though, far too vain as my ears would take on the appearance of taxi doors if I did.
Soon lost interest in football, fashion and yoof gang mentality though still fond of ska/rocksteady/reggae.
Fin
(Edited by Drone at 1:23 pm on Sep. 23, 2006)
No more to discuss DD. You have your opinions, I have mine. All is opinion.
Pejorative racial terms have never bothered me. What I find most sad is that Gollywogs have to be referred to as Gollys, the Little Black Sambo children’s books are frowned upon nowadays; and the reference to and drawings of ‘darkies’ in Rupert the Bear has led some pc cretin to question whether author/painter and thoroughly decent man Alfred Bestall was a closet racist/fascist. All that charming childhood innocence lost.
Much as I enjoy your posts and agree/empathise with much you write you do tend to come across as tiresomely patronising at times. Whilst your evolution from skinhead yobbo into artistic member of the country set is to be applauded, the reformed (cf drink, baccy, drugs) do tend to go over the top with their born-again evangelism.
Do you think Weatherbys should be informed about Ben De Haan’s Indian Sq**w after all I’m sure they wouldn’t allow a horse to be named Indian ****.
Cheers
The Drone (part-nigger with attitude)
Far too young so nowt to offer.
Frankly the exploits of jockeys such as he, Biddlecombe, King and Nicholson leave me cold. Those weren’t the days.
Cubone, Gamble and APracing may enlighten you
GGD
Have a look at:
http://legendarysurfers.com/naw/blog/20 … art-1.html
Not as straightforward as you persist to insist is it?
Yes I have researched my ancestry and suffice to say I’m very proud of it.
Quote: from GreenGreenDesert on 1:56 pm on Sep. 22, 2006[br]<br>Come up North? You’re all descended from our mortal enemies the Vikings!
We may come up to Sedgefield or Market rasen in the spring.
Actually I’m a quadroon: my paternal grandfather arrived at Bristol docks in the banana boat from Trinidad in the ’20s, about the same time my maternal grandfather left Birr for the ferry from Dun Laoghaire. So I’m a real mongrel though prefer to describe myself as having ‘hybrid vigour’; white though I develop a most fetching tan in the summer. God’s Own County has been home for most of my adult life.
The cheetah is an aberrant cat anyway; the only one that can’t retract it’s claws for one thing and is generally considered to be the earliest diverging species on the feline evolutionary tree.
The pre/post Clovis debate and the postulated migrations back and forth to/from Asia is fascinating as are the possible migrations to South America across the pacific by early ‘indonesian’ peoples, though I believe that idea has all but been discredited by genetic studies.
The whole business of the movements of mankind before recorded history began is captivating and it can be – of necessity – no more than educated conjecture. All the way back to the ‘Out of Africa’ and ‘Multiregional’ hypotheses of early man’s evolution.
Enough of all that.
See you at Rasen in the spring may be. A great place.
Quote: from GreenGreenDesert on 12:53 am on Sep. 22, 2006[br]
If you are ever at Chepstow we have a collection of Kiowa spirit horses and Cree Sioux and navajo warbonnets on display, and Sioux beastplates and horse hair earings if you are interested in First Nations cultures.
<br>My interest in Amerindian cultures lies not in regalia but mainly in their polytheistic religious beliefs, particularly their reverence of the natural world; and the various, sometimes conflicting, theories concerning their pre-historic arrival into the new world from Asia together with the tenuous linguistic and genetic links with existing Asian cultures – notably the Ket people of central Siberia; the Ainu of Hokkaido – and the tantalising yet unproven (unprovable?) theory that the Na-Dene cultures (Navajo, Apache, Slavey etc) are the descendents of an ice-age ‘chinese’ migration.
Uh oh a bit of point scoring there I think.
I’m just a humourless tyke DD.
Keep up the good work; your posts are a heady mix of interesting, informative, intriguing, annoying, bizarre and occasionally deeply insightful. Edit: Your recent post on the Fallon non affair thread very much one of the latter.
Do you ever get yourself and your paintings/displays to the northern tracks? e.g Wetherby, Doncaster, Haydock, Aintree. I would be genuinely interested in taking a look.
(Edited by Drone at 9:59 am on Sep. 22, 2006)
You’re being a tad po-faced DD if I may say so. I’m quite aware that squaw can be construed as pejorative but as they say ‘the jury’s out on that’. For starters here’s what Wikipedia have to say:
"During the 1970s, some American Indian activists objected to the term, alleging that it came from a Mohawk (Iroquoian language family) slang word meaning "****<br>". The earliest known objection is from Thomas E. Sanders and Walter W. Peek, Literature of the American Indian (Glencoe Press, 1973), p. 184:
"That curious concept of ‘squaw’, the enslaved, demeaned, voiceless childbearer, existed and exists only in the mind of the non-Native American and is probably a French corruption of the Iroquois word otsiskwa [also spelled ojiskwa] meaning ‘female sexual parts’, a word almost clinical both denotatively and connotatively. The corruption suggests nothing about the Native American’s attitude toward women; it does indicate the wasichu’s [white man’s] view of Native American women in particular if not all women in general".
The above authors are wrong â€â€Â
Nice one GGD; as ever the tyke has his priorities right.
You’ll be shocked to learn that the yorkie bars will in all likelihood soon be emigrating en-masse to your beloved Bohemia. As of yesterday they’ve been given a stay of execution and remain in Eboracum; the estimable work ethic of the Quakers has been replaced by the highly questionable global capitalism of the Swiss.
Have a break, have a euro Kit-Kat
BTW if you haven’t had congress with an Algonquian squaw you haven’t lived
Get thee sen weshed up you old **** (as they say in Sheriff Hutton)
Quite agree Galejade, Foley is an underestimated jock anyway imo and more than capable of replacing Fitzgerald.
Interesting to see how PJ Brennan gets on with Johnson and Wylie this season.
Quote: from Grimes on 11:35 pm on Sep. 19, 2006[br]There were a few French mares that won the Arc a while back around the same decade, I think.
Five in succession from 79-83:<br>Three Troikas<br>Detroit<br>Gold River<br>Akiyda<br>All Along
The ’70s also saw San San, Allez France and Ivanjica win.
Since All Along’s win there’s been but one filly to win: Urban Sea (French).
Ouija Board was a tad unfortunate.
Edit: Reet Hard
Park Top was second to Levmoss in ’69 and I believe Dahlia never ran in the race as she spent the autumn racing in North America.
(Edited by Drone at 10:30 am on Sep. 20, 2006)
