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I completely agree with Richard, though I think the shelf life of the monarchy may be prolonged by the new one, who seems acutely aware that the world has changed.
He’s already planning a less expensive, smaller, coronation, which is ethnically diverse, and I think he’ll be the nearest thing to a “woke” Monarch it’s possible to be while still remaining technically neutral.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“I do think it’s less popular than it used to be”
Support for the Royal family is, as one would expect, stronger amongst older people and decreases as you speak to younger people.
Two questions: will today’s young people change their mind as they get older; and will the death of Elizabeth II have a major impact on the next survey.
Should the Monarch be entirely neutral? His environmental views are known and as much as the issue is politicised, it does affect all of us whether you like it or not. It’s fair to say that it’s an issue that hits home more with younger people (somewhat a generalisation but I’m sure stats would back me up). Perhaps taking a lead on that and showing an example is the way forward. The Monarchy needs younger people on side in the long term.
I’d respect him more for having an opinion on certain issues that matter to all of us.
Good questions, Gladders, because a lot will depend on the answers, and the truth in my case is I don’t know.
To be honest Richard I think the only time he could express an opinion is if he expressed an opinion everyone universally agrees with anyway which kind of renders it pointless.
Being unelected, publicly funded, then using your platform to express views some taxpayers who fund you don’t agree with isn’t tenable.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"The BBC has a different role. It is the national, state broadcaster. It was always going to have to commit a lot of time to the event, so complaining about it is pointless.
A few of the usual programmes started to be broadcast last night, which I believe was right. In an era of multi channel television, there are plenty of other things to watch if anyone does not want to see the coverage.
No matter what people think, it is a huge moment in our history. I think the BBC’s coverage has been broadly right and proper.
The monarchy is going nowhere. Even if Charles III is not universally popular, William does seem to be well liked. There is a discussion to be had about the future of the Crown but I think it would be more respectful to start that a week tomorrow.
As for Richard’s comment about the protestors: it is a fair point. I do not think anyone should be prosecuted for exercising their right to peacefully protest. Nor do I think people like Trevor Sinclair should be sacked for expressing an opinion. That is the cancel culture I started a thread about before.
However, there is still such a thing as taste and sensitivity and the protests have looked rather crass and insensitive. Why can’t they wait a week and at least respect the mourning period? Don’t they see they are damaging republicanism by being so insensitive?
Have to say I read the link and just thought: “yeah, habitual attention-seeking immature (even at 45) protesters disrupting a ceremony many are enjoying then piping up with ‘look! I’m being oppressed!’ like Eric Idle in Monty Python.
I’m a Republican and I think it’s a load of nonsense but I wouldn’t disrupt it for those who care about it.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"That is certainly how things are now Ian and it’s unlikely to change.
I think it perhaps should, I stress in some cases, not all. It may have to from their point of view, unless people just become more pro-monarchy with age for no reason. I see someone with immense power and privilege who damn well should express an opinion where appropriate. The Monarchy seems to be tradition for tradition’s sake at present.
The protests are in very poor taste but I’m sure they could have been removed through means other than arrest. Arresting people for expressing their opinion even if subsequently dearresting them is a dangerous road to be heading down.
Fair comment.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“The Monarchy seems to be tradition for tradition’s sake at present.”
You’ll be asking for the Derby to be run over ten furlongs next.
I think “a mile and a quarter,” or even “a mile and two furlongs,” sounds better than “ten furlongs” tbh.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"I deliberately used “ten furlongs” as it is the modern way of saying “a mile and a quarter”, in keeping with the theme of moving with the times.
For what it’s worth, I also say “a mile and a quarter”. Mind you, I still refer to the Mackeson, Hennessy, Bula Hurdle, Whitbread, etc.
Interesting use of ‘modern’ and ‘furlong’ in the same sentence. If not for its continued use in racing nobody would have a clue what one is. 2,010 metres please.
I bet Sturgeon is abs livid with all the pomp and ceremony going on in Edinburgh right now. ‘Tanks parked on her turf’.
Love it!
“I deliberately used “ten furlongs”….to annoy Chezza” more like!
I still say Mackeson, Hennessy and Whitbread because, although I don’t drink and never touched a drop of any of them, I refuse to name modern sponsors who have restricted my betting accounts with them!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Ian, not forgetting the Massey-Ferguson Gold Cup, which seemed a much bigger race than the Mackeson at that time. I remember both Pendil and Leap Frog (beating The Dikler!) winning under top weight; Pendil went on to stroll home in the King George a few weeks later. No trainer would even consider that programme nowadays, and Fred Winter was genius. The Massey-ferguson is much diminished, tho still a competitive handicap, whatever it is called.
And the Charisma Records Chase at Kempton, which seemed to herald the stat of real racing; no idea what Charisma Records were.
According to Wikipedia before my time the Massey-Ferguson was known as the “December Gold Cup?”
I think Flyingbolt might have won it back in the day – will check in a minute.
While the BBC NH season kicked off at Chepstow, ITV would start at Kempton Park (Charisma Records as you say) and Sandown Park – Marlow Ropes John Skeaping Hurdle ring any bells with anyone?
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