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    Mike007
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    Davy Russell in the Star Sports race preview today was asked which of the leading contenders will win the Supreme. He said Jonbon.

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    TomBarkley87
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    At this late ish stage I’d personally be surprised if the markets have it right and would be nigh on certain that it’s Sir Gerhard here and the Dynamo to the Ballymore.

    I’ve heard enough buzz around the Twittersphere that Willie’s red hot on Sir Gerhard and that he’s the one with the gears for the Supreme. I think the momentum’s shifting and the markets will be too in the coming days.

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    ham
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    It shifted this morning..

    #1585509
    FinalFurlong91
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    The exchanges have changed hugely since I last checked on Monday

    Sir gerhard 8.6 into second fav and drifting for ballymore

    Dysart dynamo drifting supreme and backed from almost double figures into 5.2 for ballymore

    This seems more accurate, willie has maintained they could go either way all along but the markets were suggesting that DD very likely goes supreme and SG ballymore which simply didn’t match the talk coming out of the yard or the track evidence.

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    fivelongdays
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    Mighty Potter hasn’t done a lot wrong and, at 12s, looks like the value in a superstacked Supreme.

    I suspect I’ll be playing more than one in this!

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    #1585862
    Mike007
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    Latest Mullins clues…

    Dysart Dynamo – “you’d be thinking Supreme Novices but the option to go the other way is there.”

    Sir Gerhard – “has options in the Sky Bet Supreme and the Ballymore. I wouldn’t be afraid to run him in either one.”

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    As clear as mud that Mike
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    #1585872
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    It is really infuriating. The Supreme is only 10 days away. I do not believe Mullins does not know what he is going to run in it.

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    Mike007
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    It reads DD Supreme and SG Ballymore to me at the moment.

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    Avatar photoGladiateur
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    CAS- agree with your opinion that Willie must surely know which horses are running where.

    It doesn’t do him any favours to keep punters in the dark like this.

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    ham
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    Your both missing the point as to why its hush hush, as if he committed one to the b/more and the supreme entry got injured hed switch immediately,it a lose lose situ for him, so best to just keep his mouth shut until decs, if he committed one and the above happened and everyone piled on, youd be back saying how terrible it is…

    Thats what id be doing if i was him, hence why decs are 48 hours not 10 days

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    Avatar photoThe Tatling Cheekily
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    They are under different ownership. If they are both better suited to 2m, I fail to see why the owners of either should put up with being ran over the wrong trip to suit the trainer.

    Never understood that.

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    Ham, I may have misunderstood but why would anyone blame Mullins if one of his horses got injured? Everyone knows that can happen. It is the risk everyone takes with long range ante post betting. All races are NRNB now anyway.

    If I was a trainer, I think I would know which race I was training a horse for in the final days of preparation. It is not credible of Mullins to imply he does not know.

    I get the impression he thinks it is none of the media or the racing public’s business. As Glad says, it looks like he is deliberately keeping us in the dark out of awkwardness. I could understand it about a month before the festival but not a week before.

    #1585942
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    Because thats what people do and have done in the past, His job isnt to give punters an insight into what race hes going to run any horse in, his job is to train them and put them in the best position to win, something hes the most successful at. Thats upto the punter to work out, hence antepost betting. Not all races are nrnb, the exchanges are still there.

    And tbf, im sure this time it is a cointoss on who goes where, hes likely just waiting to see if one has a bit more spark than the other a few days before etc and gives him a chance to measure up the competition, if constituion hill got pulled, does it make who he sends where easier? Yes it does, would a punter be fuming if he said SG to the supreme, then CH or jonbon gets pulled and he decides to switch them because the supremes now a hell of a lot easier to win, would you be moaning then, yes you would..

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    If I was a trainer, I think I would know which race I was training a horse for in the final days of preparation. It is not credible of Mullins to imply he does not know.

    CPS have said a decision will be made in the middle of next week. That’s before declarations.

    As Ham says with the way both races are shaping up, their last pieces of work are absolutely crucial.

    CAS, “if i was a trainer” “It is not credible of Mullins to imply he does not know”. You aren’t a trainer and i presume you’ve never been a trainer, so why is it not credible? lol

    From my own position with bets in the race i’d like to know, but i also understand WHEN backing the horses that Mullins has a fleet of horses and it’s not clear until very close where they’ll go. It’s also why i don’t take a view on his novices until later than others.
    Elliot hasn’t 100% nailed his colours to the mast regarding his either, so, are you saying that isn’t credible either?

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    I played SG for the ballymore twice back in autumn , once the talk of the supreme started then I left him alone and I won’t be playing until it’s confirmed where he goes , at the end of the day Mullins will do what’s right for the horse and owners , in my eyes he,s a ballymore horse as I don’t believe he,s a quick enough hurdler at the minimum but Mullins is the man watching him day in day out , hold fire on the bets as you,ll know come next weekend

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    I have not backed either of Mullins’s horses, so it makes little difference to me if he splits them up or runs both.

    I just find it very difficult to believe that at a moment when the horses are entering the final moments of training that a successful trainer like Mullins does not know which race each horse is going to run in.

    I do not believe it is decided at the last minute and I do not believe Mullins operates on some sort of wing and a prayer. To be that successful requires well thought out, meticulous planning.

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