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Best St Leger for decades. First three all good enough to win vast majority of St Legers.
Capri was my first bet but ended up only a saver for me. Well done to all who made him their best bet.
Crystal Ocean stayed the trip well, just not good enough.
tbh Stradivarius travelled in to the race better than I expected. Little disappointed Doyle didn’t kick on (on the stayer) when hitting the front two out, but suspect he ran to form anyway. Beaten by a couple of better horses.
Rekindling and Coronet probably ran to form, although latter weakened late on and may not have quoite stayed.
Count Octave travelled in to the race well and am convinced he’s got a better performance in him.Value Is EverythingWell done botchy and the other Capri backers, great race and the best horse won. Great looking strong nicely shaped colt he is. Bet he will sire plenty of winners.
Come on! You cant take the irish derby away from him, how and why should cracksman have won it?! Lol
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Of course I can’t take the Irish Derby away from him; nobody can. He won it and he’s an admirable horse who really impressed me today.
But he had a lovely run round the inner at the Curragh, much closer to the pace than Cracksman who was still green, took the wide route, hung in the latter stages, and despite all this made up a four or five lengths deficit from when he was first galvanized and was in front two strides past the post. No question in my mind he was the best horse on the day and I suspect he has come on 7 to 10lbs since.
You’re just not a Cracksman fan. Fine, we all get horses like that. Also, I think you want Enable to have a free run at the big one so that too colours your thinking. That was an excellent St Leger run in a fast time and looks very strong form. I cannot now see how any trainer let alone Gosden does not go for the Arc and I’ve backed him again at 10s.
Well done Capri backers but there’s a slight bad taste in the mouth of the way the race was run to turn it into an out and out slog and run the finish out of Crystal Ocean who looked the winner when they swung into the straight.
Clearly the first three are lovely horses and lets hope we see them all next year but I do question whether a horse like the anvil, not a bad animal in his own right, should even be allowed to run in a classic when he’s clearly not running on his own merits. After all didn’t the BHA change the rules so that horses beneath a certain rating couldn’t run in the derby? Now please tell me what difference this has over running the Anvil, who was given no chance whatsoever? Apart from apparently “safety issues”
I backed both Capri and Cracksman in the Irish Derby (both main bets) and I agree with Joe. Smullen too busy watching Wings Of Eagles, should’ve won. However, that was still excellent form shown by Capri and suspect improved a pound or two today over a trip that suited him well.
Doesn’t really matter if Cracksman would’ve beaten Capri or not, he didn’t… But has shown better form since.
Value Is EverythingGT I actually thought Doyle did too much in the early stages with Strad and would like to have seen him held onto a while longer. But circumstances probably dictated the ride rather than plans, especially when they turned in and he had to come round the tiring pacemaker. He got a lovely run through there and when Doyle found himself on the rail I think he just committed and hoped he’d outstay them. Capri much the better stayer and won in the end quite cosily I thought. Really impressed me with his power and long stride and if Cracksman misses the Arc I’ll back Capri if he turns up.
Well done Capri backers but there’s a slight bad taste in the mouth of the way the race was run to turn it into an out and out slog and run the finish out of Crystal Ocean who looked the winner when they swung into the straight.
Clearly the first three are lovely horses and lets hope we see them all next year but I do question whether a horse like the anvil, not a bad animal in his own right, should even be allowed to run in a classic when he’s clearly not running on his own merits. After all didn’t the BHA change the rules so that horses beneath a certain rating couldn’t run in the derby? Now please tell me what difference this has over running the Anvil, who was given no chance whatsoever? Apart from apparently “safety issues”
Eh?
The Anvil finished third in the Chester Vase; beaten just over 1 1/4 lengths by the winner Venice Beach… And the horse that finished just a nose in front of The Anvil was… Derby winner Wings Of Eagles.The Anvil had a lot better form than the horses that the BHA changed the rules to stop them running in Group 1’s.
…And they didn’t follow The Anvil today anyway; they left him alone and so all the others did not go “an out and out slog”. I thought the field ran a good pace, no faster than that.
What I do agree with you Judge, is The Anvil was a non-trier today. Had no chance of lasting at that pace even if he had been good enough. About time the BHA act to stop this!
Value Is EverythingWell done to those who kept the faith in the best trainer in the world.
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I didn’t realise Capri was trained by Jim Goldie!
Anyway, well done this week Steve; some top level analysing.
Yes indeed, just looked back through the thread – fine work yet again by Mister Caution.
Well that was my point Ginger. O’Brien team has unlimited resources so will always have an advantage over other outfits, however some of that advantage would be reduced if they weren’t allowed to adopt team tactics like they were today. The site of the four of them dominating from the outset was a bit ridiculous.
Btw my point about the Anvil was not that he wasn’t good enough to run, just that there seems no difference between running a horse with a low rating who has absolutely no chance of winning, and running the anvil and giving him a suicidal ride where he has absolutely no chance of winning, surely it amounts to the same thing. And that’s not to even mention anyone who was unlucky enough to back The Anvil.
Come on! You cant take the irish derby away from him, how and why should cracksman have won it?! Lol
Of course I can’t take the Irish Derby away from him; nobody can. He won it and he’s an admirable horse who really impressed me today.
But he had a lovely run round the inner at the Curragh, much closer to the pace than Cracksman who was still green, took the wide route, hung in the latter stages, and despite all this made up a four or five lengths deficit from when he was first galvanized and was in front two strides past the post. No question in my mind he was the best horse on the day and I suspect he has come on 7 to 10lbs since.
You’re just not a Cracksman fan. Fine, we all get horses like that. Also, I think you want Enable to have a free run at the big one so that too colours your thinking. That was an excellent St Leger run in a fast time and looks very strong form. I cannot now see how any trainer let alone Gosden does not go for the Arc and I’ve backed him again at 10s.
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Im definitely a cracksman fan!! I just cant not listen to what the trainer/jockey (x2)/owner have to say about him, i think hes an excellent prospect, but at the end of the day theyv said what theyv said for a reason
As good as he is hes ran in how many group 1s this season and came up short in them, i believe next year hed be top drawer
Thats my only opinion on him
Id nibble at the arc if he appeared in the arc but couldnt see him toppling enable
The Anvil might be a good horse but who knows? He isn’t going to get a chance if they run the legs off him in a totally pointless pacemaker role when he gets ignored by the rest like that. I suppose it “worked”, in that Capri won, but he would have won anyway. At one point, when the Anvil started going backwards though the field, I thought he was going to roll sideways like tired horses sometimes do, and Capri could’ve been the one hampered if that happened. To me it’s a recipe for a heel-clipping disaster with strong finishing horses piling up behind one ridden to empty the tank when the race is hotting up; and you’re right – ridden like that, he’s a non trier
Well that was my point Ginger. O’Brien team has unlimited resources so will always have an advantage over other outfits, however some of that advantage would be reduced if they weren’t allowed to adopt team tactics like they were today. The site of the four of them dominating from the outset was a bit ridiculous.
Btw my point about the Anvil was not that he wasn’t good enough to run, just that there seems no difference between running a horse with a low rating who has absolutely no chance of winning, and running the anvil and giving him a suicidal ride where he has absolutely no chance of winning, surely it amounts to the same thing. And that’s not to even mention anyone who was unlucky enough to back The Anvil.
Oh, I see what you mean, Judge.
Running The Anvil like that didn’t help anyone though, it didn’t help any of the other Coolmore runners, because they all (thankfully along with everyone else) rightly ignored him. So it made no difference to this particular race.
I am however convinced that part of Ballydoyle’s “team tactics” is often to deliberately send one off far too fast in the hope some rivals ruin their own chance by going with their non-trier; increasing Ballydoyle’s overall chances of having the winner with their other runners. BHA are too weak to take action.
Value Is EverythingMaybe they will take action if something clips heels running onto the back of it near the end and horses are fatally injured and jockeys helicoptered off with injuries like Ana O’Brien sustained a little while back, or worse. I know accidents happen, but are more likely when a horse ridden at practically 10f pace in a 14f race is on or near the rail coming back through the field.
Capri much the better stayer and won in the end quite cosily I thought. Really impressed me with his power and long stride and if Cracksman misses the Arc I’ll back Capri if he turns up.
I do believe Mr Botchy had Capri for this and has 100/1 about him for the Arc.
Well done Mr Caution too.
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