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    value31
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    I just hope that Starmer and ALL politicians learn a lesson from King Charles 111’s state visit. Our great King clearly understands the difference between right and wrong and is not afraid to spell it out. He stressed the importance of the rule of law and the necessity to have checks and balances in any democracy.

    If only Starner had the courage to say it as it is, rather than pussy footing around by avoiding any issue he finds controversial.
    Labour are doing a good job and if Starmer stood up to the Reform bullies he would find the electorate behind him. As it is Reformn (we don’t beliece in the rule of law) are not challenged so the dumb part of the electorate believe they must be right.

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    Avatar photobefair
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    You do realise that Charles simply reads speeches that are written for him by the govt? Delivery was good, but everyone sounds good next to Trump

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    moehat
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    I think the King has a good working relationship with Keir and the government ( who aren’t getting the credit for that speech that they should have given that imo the King would only say things that he truly believed and it had to be framed around that combined with dealing with a deranged POTUS).

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    Richard88
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    Just saw a Labour election broadcast. Sod all about local politics. Still, good to know that Labour’s councillors will be doing their utmost to make sure that we do the right thing in the middle east.

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    Avatar photoDrone
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    It’s unfortunate that local elections seem to be increasingly viewed by the ‘Westminster bubble’ as referendums on national politics, which in turn encourages the electorate to think likewise. They should be distinct, more concerned with how councillors are running your local area, with their allegiance to a particular party of secondary importance.

    Which is why I’ve long been an admirer of Independent councillors and have voted for them on several occasions. Pleasingly their numbers have increased in recent years after decades of slow decline, with now than more than 2,000 in office and around 20 leading no-overall-control councils.

    Hours of yawn-inducing blather extrapolating these local results to the next general election will hit the airwaves on Friday. Think I’ll go for a long walk.

    Though I do rather hope Reform do well, as it will give the electorate a couple of years to watch them balls-up local government before casting their vote in the ‘big one’. Once bitten, twice shy…hopefully

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    value31
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    We don’t need a ‘balls up’ in local elections. Reform could do a lot of damage to local communities and will if elected. I hope the electorate see sense in time.

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    Avatar photoDrone
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    A bitter pill, but if making a mess at a local level opens eyes to the damage they could do at a national level then I’m prepared to hold my nose and swallow it, in the hope that the electorate will indeed see sense in time, if not tomorrow.

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    Richard88
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    I am inclined to agree with Drone. Although I guarantee that it will all be blamed on someone else when they inevitably make a mess of councils.

    Voters may also see the local elections a ‘safe’ way of registering their displeasure with Labour without affecting the national picture.

    On independents, they are definitely a good thing as long as you do your research on them (as I am sure you do). Some have been found to be in effect working with Rupert Lowe’s ludicrous ‘Restore’ party which for the uninitiated is for people who think that Reform and the Tories are a bit too left wing.

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    “On independents, they are definitely a good thing as long as you do your research on them (as I am sure you do).”

    Similar applies to The Greens. 30 local candidates under ‘investigation’ by the Greens themselves.
    Caroline Lucas must be wondering what’s happened to the party that she really put on the political map. It’s now led by’The Big Ego; it’s all about me’ :whistle:

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    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    Let’s be honest the public are going to give Starmer a bloody nose today , I fully expect Raynor to attack in the next week , I’m just as interested to see how the Tories do , if they have another bad day then questions need to be asked on Badenoch to , from a Reform point it’ll be interesting to see how the areas who already have a Reform council vote , I’ll be watching Clacton to , few disgruntled voters there wondering where Farage is

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    from a Reform point it’ll be interesting to see how the areas who already have a Reform council vote

    Not entirely sure how areas are chosen to vote in a particular year but I believe it’s roughly a quarter of councils each year, granting four-year terms.

    So presumably, as Reform made all their council gains at the local elections last year this means none of these will be voting this year:

    Scraped from localgov.co.uk

    Key Councils Won by Reform UK:
    Derbyshire (Gain from Conservative)
    Doncaster (Gain from Labour)
    Durham (Gain from no overall control)
    Kent (Gain from Conservative)
    Lancashire (Gain from Conservative)
    Lincolnshire (Gain from Conservative)
    North Northamptonshire (Gain from Conservative)
    Nottinghamshire (Gain from Conservative)
    Staffordshire (Gain from Conservative)
    West Northamptonshire (Gain from Conservative)

    Areas with Significant Reform Representation/Minority Rule:
    Warwickshire (Largest party, minority administration)
    Worcestershire (Largest party, minority administration)
    Leicestershire (Largest party, minority administration)

    Key Mayoral Wins:
    Hull and East Yorkshire: Luke Campbell
    Greater Lincolnshire: Andrea Jenkyns

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    “A bitter pill, but if making a mess at a local level opens eyes to the damage they could do at a national level then I’m prepared to hold my nose and swallow it, in the hope that the electorate will indeed see sense in time, if not tomorrow.”

    I agree completely with this line of thinking; the problem is that, like Richard, I believe that Reform will always find a scapegoat for their abject failure in office and, of course, their billionaire backers in the media will always do their best to absolve Farage and co from all blame.

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    Richard88
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    It’s a common theme across right wing politics, it’s always, always somebody else’s fault. I would guess the narrative will be that it’s all because of central government and only by handing control of that to Reform will they be able to fix anything.

    Apparently today will ‘decide Starmer’s and Britain’s fate’ according to the Mail. Utterly ludicrous hyperbole of course, not least because many of us aren’t in areas with local elections, but let’s say the right does less well than expected, how does that ‘decide Britain’s fate’? Anyone on the right care to finally answer a question?

    #1766241
    Richard88
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    Hours of yawn-inducing blather extrapolating these local results to the next general election will hit the airwaves on Friday. Think I’ll go for a long walk.

    Today has been a welcome relief from endless wanging on about the elections. Apparently less than a third of English seats will have been announced by morning and some counting may take until Saturday. I’d take a tent if I were you.

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    homersimpson
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    Not surprised. There were about 20 candidates in our area and we could pick any 3.

    #1766245
    Avatar photoHe Didnt Like Ground
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    So far Reform gaining councillors but no seats , hopefully that continues , not great for the Tories either , is Badenoch under scrutiny now

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    Reform will probably not gain control of many councils. Only a third of the seats are being contested in most areas, so if Reform is starting from a low base it will not be able to secure a majority even if it won all of the seats up for grabs.

    It has gained a lot of seats in Tameside. Angela Rayner’s stomping ground..

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