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    Avatar photoAngrovestud
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    I think they are using Painted or Skewbald thats what is on the passports of mine.
    so a
    chesnut and white/
    bay & white/
    grey and white / would all be Skewbald.
    if you introduce the cream gene
    at one dose
    buckskin & white/ Skewbald
    Palomino & white/ Skewbald

    a Piebald would only be Black & white.
    so you would perhaps have PI Piebald and SK Skewbald.

    #312351
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    The abbreviation for skewbald is sk – for those with good memories we’ve already been treated to the sight of a skewbald racehorse, albeit only briefly. Honeypot Shyenne was pulled up in a novices’ hurdle on April Fool’s Day in 2000, while Honeypot Splenda was another of that ilk to have raced here, doing nothing in 2 runs for Stuart Howe a couple of seasons back. It would be nice to see one which can go a bit.

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    With a bit of detective work and using Google satellite images you can actually see the paddocks where Rummy probably lives. In fact I spotted two horses in next door paddocks but as the imagery is possibly a few years old I doubt it’s our adopted heroes. Very nice village though.
    K

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    "Pompete" wrote: I think that is the ugliest Thoroughbred I’ve ever seen and sincerely hope it never sees a racecourse in its life.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oArDFU_IESQ

    I’m all for debate Pete but that was plain harsh!! :shock:

    Best of luck with the horse Angrove. :)

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    I think that is the ugliest Thoroughbred I’ve ever seen and sincerely hope it never sees a racecourse in its life.

    Happy Days La La La la….. were looking for a person who doesnt like coloured race horses for the TV programme that the BBC are making about us perhaps if you have nothing better on that day you could volunteer ?
    PM me if your up for the job.

    Unfortunately, any contribution by me would be based on an irrational prejudice and therefore wouldn’t be particularly interesting or worthwhile.

    However, on its racecourse debut I shall make a determined effort to have a day at the races and see it run – you never know I might change my view.

    Anyhow, despite my view I do believe what you’re doing is fascinating and is clearly of great interest to many and I wish you the best of luck.

    Edit: Just seen your post THM and yes your right. It wasn’t very constructive, was it?

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    Chicken Pompete? We know why you won’t take up the challenge…..you’re worried that Points of View will get thousands of viewers writing in complaining….’Why did the BBC put that Pompete on the programme? Possibly the ugliest person we’ve ever seen on our screens.’

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    When it runs we should have a TRF away day and all go and see it. Keep us updated.

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    Been talking to my [not interested in racing one bit]daughter and even she’s captivated. Both think that the name of the first [outside of a book] piebald to win the National should be called ‘The Cynic’. Totally in dream land, now.

    #312400
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    Thank you Pompete we look foward to seeing you there along with TRF away day crowd ! he will need all the followers he can get :D

    His sire goes out next to his wives and kids everday as we dont belive in locking stallions up! hes a great father and often babysits while mum does stuff.
    Well we could go for that when we start breeding for the big one!

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    Interesting.

    You’d have to wonder how that gene was in the horse, in order to produce such a colour.

    Reminds me of a cob type horse.

    I am a horse owner, and a massive racing fan, and whilst i like the colour of the horse, i have to say it isn’t in keeping with racing. That’s not me saying i don’t like it, but you can imagine a lot of people watching the horse race saying "that isn’t a Thoroughbred, why is he racing".

    Does make you wonder if the history of the breedline of his bloodline is pure TB, as it’d be difficult to get the coloured gene in there if he was a full TB.

    #312409
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    I am a horse owner, and a massive racing fan, and whilst i like the colour of the horse, i have to say it isn’t in keeping with racing.

    Some of the very best racehorses we’ve seen over jumps are AQPS, Gaz.

    Autre Que Pur Sang

    that is, or for the Francophobes among us, ‘Other Than Pure Blood’, or non-thoroughbred. The only problem I have with coloured horses racing is that those we’ve seen so far have been so bleedin’ slow.

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    Avatar photoGazs Way De Solzen
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    I am a horse owner, and a massive racing fan, and whilst i like the colour of the horse, i have to say it isn’t in keeping with racing.

    Some of the very best racehorses we’ve seen over jumps are AQPS, Gaz.

    Autre Que Pur Sang

    that is, or for the Francophobes among us, ‘Other Than Pure Blood’, or non-thoroughbred. The only problem I have with coloured horses racing is that those we’ve seen so far have been so bleedin’ slow.

    A valid point, and appreciated.

    However, let’s hope he has more speed than a cob.

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    e race saying "that isn’t a Thoroughbred, why is he racing".

    Does make you wonder if the history of the breedline of his bloodline is pure TB, as it’d be difficult to get the coloured gene in there if he was a full TB.

    He isn’t a pure TB, he is registered in Weatherbys Non-TB studbook. However it’s hardly unusual for a non-TB to race. As pointed out there’s a whole industry in breeding AQPS horses in France, some of who have been Gold Cup and Stayers Hurdle winners. There have also been a good few non-TB winners of the Grand National, the most recent being Amberleigh House who is not in the GSB (look at his pedigree here, his 5th dam was a half-bred mare). While more common over fences, it happens on the flat too. Clantime who was a G1 quality sprinter in the 80’s was non a GSB TB. He was later given full TB status by Weatherbys so his offspring could be registered as TBs. Two of the top sprinters in the UK in the mid-60s, Lucasland and So Blessed, both July Cup winners and neither were in the GSB and therefore technically no TBs.
    Then there is the case of all those horses in the first half of the 1900s from American lines who were not considered "pure" TBs by the Jersey Act, many of who were Classic winners.

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    Hi Rory
    I do know the person who both owned and bred the two horses Honeypot Splenda & Shyenne and from talking to her the mare that produced Splenda was a NH mare and Shyenne was out of an unraced mare,we looked at how to improve the quality so we used a flat bred 5 furlong sprinter from a distinquished family and she had been placed .
    Talking of French horses there was a rear crop out called Valency who was a pure TB with the Tobiano patten same as ours and was sold in france.Rummy is 87.5% TB the rest is unknown and unproven.

    the Breed had also witnessed the appearance of another heavily spotted Thoroughbred. The ccase was Valençay (1960), a French-bred paint chestnut son of Free Man (1948, by Norseman), out of La Lorie (1950, by Coastal Traffic), who was auctioned at the Deauville Yearling Sales of 1961. Quite different from the case of Tri Chrome, Valençay’s visual appearance showed most of the characteristics of a mutation to the paint-tobiano gene. His white blaze was more commonly marked than that of Tri Chrome’s. Most of his white body markings tend to be spread into a toward-the-neck vertical arrangement, with some areas crossing its topline. Three of his four white feet/legs extended their white well above both knees and one of the hocks. In addition, his mane and tail were flaxen. Unfortunately, nothing was ever heard again about this case, for which reason we may deduct that Valençay vanished from the Breed without a trace."
    From Jorge Martenez Pedigree query USA.

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    Gaz’s Way De Solzen wrote:
    e race saying "that isn’t a Thoroughbred, why is he racing".

    Does make you wonder if the history of the breedline of his bloodline is pure TB, as it’d be difficult to get the coloured gene in there if he was a full TB.
    I thought you would all like to see some horses that are Pure TB and that carry the newly discovered Dominant White gene which is a Mutation near the Kitt gene

    http://i547.photobucket.com/albums/hh441/angrovestud/split.jpg

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    The French paddock photo’s great. Second from the left, seated, doesn’t that dapper guy look typically French. The fifth guy at the back and standing looks as if he’s just stepped out of that film, The French Connection. And on the far right in the yellow T-shirt is the owner of the horse Who Ate All The Pies.

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    The French paddock photo’s great. Second from the left, seated, doesn’t that dapper guy look typically French. The fifth guy at the back and standing looks as if he’s just stepped out of that film, The French Connection. And on the far right in the yellow T-shirt is the owner of the horse Who Ate All The Pies.

    Are you talking French connection the high street shop LOL and the suited ma has to be sar -cosy zee
    LOL
    You have a great sense of Funny I cant spell the other word as I am dyslexic

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