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If Dutch Art were to win the race, would you race him exclusively at sprint distances or put him back up to a mile for, perhaps, the Sussex?
I don’t think there’s a classier horse in the race than Dutch Art and he’ll be receiving three and six pounds respectively – hardly a level playing field.
Er, no, for reasons previously stated it’s exactly a level playing field.
I don’t think there’s a classier horse in the race than Dutch Art and he’ll be receiving three and six pounds respectively – hardly a level playing field.
Er, no, for reasons previously stated it’s exactly a level playing field.
Never understood why people say ‘a pull at the weights’ and all that nonsense anyway (I understand the term).
An animal weighing a few hundred kilos wouldn’t even notice carrying an extra 20lbs, let alone a fraction of that.
On a different note it appears that only one of Jeremy Noseda’s horses will participate on Friday, ground pending.
No bet race for me, but will be cheering Sakhee’s Secret for a mate in a bit of a hole
May also mean I get repaid
An animal weighing a few hundred kilos wouldn’t even notice carrying an extra 20lbs, let alone a fraction of that.
Shall we just do away with handicaps then if weight makes no difference
Bosranic wrote:
An animal weighing a few hundred kilos wouldn’t even notice carrying an extra 20lbs, let alone a fraction of that.
Dont say stupid things that simply defy the laws of physics. an olympic runner would not be able to run as fast with a single kilo of dead weight on its back, why should a horse. the point is it is dead weight not an extra few pounds of muscle and so yes it does make a difference. otherwise as someone above me has pointed out handicaps could be run off level weights and the result would still be the same and sir mark could still run up a string of wins with horses who have run 3 times over too short.
sorry if im being facetious.
………………..but you do see athletes, mainly the sprinters, wearing gold chains and what have you. Which is dead weight, and in proportion, might be equivalent to a horse carrying an extra pound or two.
Colin
No bet race for me, but will be cheering Sakhee’s Secret for a mate in a bit of a hole
May also mean I get repaid
You should lay him then – win win for you!
Bosranic wrote:
An animal weighing a few hundred kilos wouldn’t even notice carrying an extra 20lbs, let alone a fraction of that.
Dont say stupid things that simply defy the laws of physics. an olympic runner would not be able to run as fast with a single kilo of dead weight on its back, why should a horse. the point is it is dead weight not an extra few pounds of muscle and so yes it does make a difference. otherwise as someone above me has pointed out handicaps could be run off level weights and the result would still be the same and sir mark could still run up a string of wins with horses who have run 3 times over too short.
sorry if im being facetious.
That’s OK – you’re entitled to your opinion. It was kind of late and my comment was, well, blunt to say the least. I’m not easily offended. My selections in handicaps are based more on the horses credentials – a horse in good form, ground, draw and trainer form.
I tend to analyse the weight a horse is carrying more in NH racing. The concessions tend to be bigger, they run over longer distances and have to negotiate obstacles when the ground is, more often than not due to the season, softer.
….but you do see athletes, mainly the sprinters, wearing gold chains and what have you. Which is dead weight, and in proportion, might be equivalent to a horse carrying an extra pound or two.
Colin
HaHa….good point, the wink indicates this may not be your honest opinion but…..quite true. Incorperating a handicap system into athletics – that would be interesting.
………………..but you do see athletes, mainly the sprinters, wearing gold chains and what have you. Which is dead weight, and in proportion, might be equivalent to a horse carrying an extra pound or two.
Colin
In that case, it’s a bloody good job that Sir Jimmy Saville never represented us in the 100m, no wonder it takes him so long to run the marathon
Mike
In that case, it’s a bloody good job that Sir Jimmy Saville never represented us in the 100m, no wonder it takes him so long to run the marathon
Mike
Show a little respect….the man’s 156 years old!!
This post has promoted me to Handicap Class – how ironic!! Personally, I think I’m a penalty kick. A group performer running in handicaps. I’ll be Breeders Cup bound by the end of the season.
No bet race for me, but will be cheering Sakhee’s Secret for a mate in a bit of a hole
May also mean I get repaid :)
You should lay him then – win win for you!
Cheers David – never though of that
It’s now a no bet, win win race for me
Asset wins this for me. Has always been a top of the ground horse yet managed to finish thrid on softened ground last time. Definitely stays a true run 6f and so if the ground stays as it is then I’ll back him.
For whats its worth I think Sakhees Secret is a massive lay (Not that I ever lay but if I did….) Morrisson was as surprised as me that its favourite. Classic case of backing the unknown in the hope he’ll prove top drawer. He will have to be to win as a 3yo first time in a G1 sprint..
For whats its worth I think Sakhees Secret is a massive lay (Not that I ever lay but if I did….)
So when you say a massive lay you mean it’s not a lay at all. For what it’s worth I think he’ll win and am at least prepared to back my judgement with cash.
This is the race I’ve been looking forward to. Such an open contest full of quality and a few interesting runners.
It’s always been a toss of the coin between Dutch Art and Asset, with preference for the former. The draws been a bit inconsistent this week, but I still feel that high numbers will have a slight advantage in a 20 runner field.
The horse will not be inconvenienced by the ground, has CD form, a trainer in-form and on a stiffish course with the final furlong uphill, his combination of speed and proven form at a longer distance will be a huge factor.
I still think Sander Camillo is an attractive price – as high as 40/1. She may have had her problems but she is fresh, has CD form on this ground and is well drawn in stall 17. Another outsider to consider is Drayton. Slowly away when a close fifth in the Golden Jubilee, he ran Holy Roman Emperor to within a length in the Railway Stakes last year. He is also available at 40/1.
I could go on and on about this race – anyone of 15 could win.
Jeremy Noseda has stated that only one of his horses will run. Soldier’s Tale WILL need rain. They’re only expecting a shower so it seems that his participation is doubtful. This could mean horses shortening so perhaps it would be a good idea to be on your selection early.
Really think the way is open for the 2 3yo’s Sakhees Secret and Dutch Art to dominate this. Preference is very much for the former who of the 2 has been targeted at this race rather than something of an afterthought. Thoroughly proven on fast ground, I can’t see any problem if the ground turns slow looking at the dam side of his pedigree.
Interestingly for those that say Sakhee’s Secret needs to improve up at this level, I understand that he is highest rated on BHB figures and is also top rated on both Racing Post and Timeform ratings. Whether he wins or not, he’s well capable of mixing at this level I think.
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