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    Mike007
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    Trainer said Leger trip would suit Westover after Epsom. He’s only beaten Piz Badle again.

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    Shame Tuesday didn’t run to form.
    Can’t judge her or the Oaks form on that.
    Did see she took a hefty bump turning in, but didn’t seem to be going that well at the time.
    5th race since 27th March.
    Races catching up with her?

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    imo The obvious thing to do would be to go for the King George, see how well he runs against Desert Crown and then decide Arc or Leger.

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    Yes, Ginge. Salsabil was the 1990 winner and Balanchine the 1994 winner. Since then no other filly won it.

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    Mike007
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    Makes sense Ginger. Get beat by the Crown, then Leger. ;o)

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    It would be bold to go for the King George after Epsom and The Curragh. It would have to be a worry they had no horse left for the autumn.

    I hope they do go there but we all know how horses get wrapped up in cotton wool now, notwithstanding what Trueshan did today.

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    LD73
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    Trainer just said on RTV KG is the obvious route but would need to discuss with connections – also said he has never felt he was ground dependant although he did say with his action he would cope well with slower ground.

    He seem pleasantly surprised by the manner of the performance and he did say he was a very straight forward horse to deal with and that he will improve with racing as his full brother (who he also trained did).

    Potentially a good chance he could stay in training given his size and another year on his back

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    If he does go to the KG (23 July) then you can give him a break after that and bring him back for the Prix Niel which is mid September and then on to the Arc at the start of October.

    Well it sounds good in theory anyway.

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    I’ve watched the oaks again and wonder how Nashwa may have fared coming between Tuesday and Emily Upjohn rather than checking and going outside. Certainly lost ground.
    Of the three Nashwa has come out on top since.

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    I think the runner up has run to his OR today, having failed to do so at Epsom and Westover could be rated 120 on today.

    Really likeable progressive 3yo.

    I liked the look of him when I saw him win the Classic Trial at Sandown and he’s turning out even better than I expected.

    What a card that turned out to be – Emily Upjohn won a later race.

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    O’Brien saying the wind favoured the front runners. Poor excuse really as it was hardly the first race of day so should have instructed Moore to be a bit handier.
    Westover much the better horse. I got him wrong and it cost me a fair chunk

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    Not the most plausible excuse but IMO infinitely preferable to saying “our hero overcomplicated things today” of Moore.

    I don’t think Tuesday ran to her best today but, on my numbers, even if she has I think Westover still beats her.

    Cracking effort from the winner, I thought.

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    “I don’t think Tuesday ran to her best today…”

    Nah. That’s as good as she is.

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    She didn’t travel strongly or pick up

    Can’t have that as her true running myself

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    Tuesday has finished over a length behind a colt with an OR of 107 who was giving her 3lb.

    I simply can’t have The Oaks winner being only OR 102 and I think she’s run below form.

    But I also thought think Westover had run a career best and runner up was the best she could have been today even if at her peak.

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    “I simply can’t have The Oaks winner being only OR 102 and I think she’s run below form.”

    Official Ratings are not definitive; they’re only a guesstimate.

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    I know that, Gladders, but the second and third were rated 109 and 107 going into the race and their proximity to one another suggests that’s about right.

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